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Limiting Postings/Quotes to 200 Words?

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  • #16
    Is that how it works? Let's try:

    Originally posted by Rimuel V2 View Post

    I do take issue with the argument that people who post short posts, expect short answers. At least, this does not apply to myself. I know this isn't about me, but about others. However, the argument doesn't seem strong, even disregarding my own experience.

    More importantly, are the posts relevant enough to warrant a long post? That is the question. If you read a long essay, and it basically says NOTHING, then it is a problem. If you read a long essay and it is very informational, who cares if it is long?

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    Oh yeah, you're right!

    We can even do this:

    Originally posted by Rimuel V2 View Post

    I do take issue with the argument that people who post short posts, expect short answers. At least, this does not apply to myself.
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    More importantly, are the posts relevant enough to warrant a long post? That is the question. If you read a long essay, and it
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    Also, your argument that if people would post shorter answers here, more readers would participate in a discussion, is not convincing either. There's not enough supporting claims, which is why I said that we should experiment with this so that we can determine whether this is the case.

    Perhaps we should run a public poll to find out.
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    I really, really like the idea of giving the OP the ability to restrict the length. It is way more practical. For someone like me, if I want to post lengthily in a restricted thread, I would open a new thread.
    Wow, interesting. Okay, I take back what I said lol. Though, people will have to cooperate to do this, if it's manual.

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    • #17
      The thing is, why implement a forum feature when we can just have an understood expectation?

      The nice thing about social norms is they can be broken when need be. Laws aren't quite so flexible.

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      • #18
        Limiting the number of words (if I knew how to do that) to a post isn't the answer. Perhaps an effort to try to be more succinct would be best. Just keep the poor reader in mind and it'll be okay.
        Have you read the Forum rules?

        Queeg: Pawn to King Four. Holly: Horsie to King Bish Three.
        Rimmer: It's called a "knight," actually, Holly...
        Queeg: Knight to King Bishop three. Holly: Queen to Rook Eight. Checkmate.
        Queeg: That's an illegal move. Holly: Oh, sorry. Queens don't move like that. I was thinking of poker.
        Holly: Cleudo? You could be Colonel Mustard.
        Cat: If it's any help, I've been studying his tactics and there's a pattern emerging: Every time you make a move, he makes one too. *Winks to Holly*
        Holly: *Winks back* Thanks, Cat.
        --Red Dwarf

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        • #19
          Yeah, I’m sure ‘200 words’ was meant as a loose suggestion to keep posts reasonable. We don’t expect folks to actually count the words for posts but I know that I, for one, won’t even touch a post if it’s as long as War and Peace.
          Alexander Alekhine is my chess hero.

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          • #20
            We should just require every post to have a Fibonacci number of words.

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            • #21
              You just wanted to throw that fancy word out.
              Alexander Alekhine is my chess hero.

              An eerie chess short story: The Empty Chair

              My newest chess story: Gamble: A Supernatural Chess Tale

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              • #22
                Originally posted by Skwerly View Post
                You just wanted to throw that fancy word out.
                There's one word too many in your post.

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                • #23
                  I sense sarcasm.
                  Alexander Alekhine is my chess hero.

                  An eerie chess short story: The Empty Chair

                  My newest chess story: Gamble: A Supernatural Chess Tale

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                  • #24
                    I don't particularly care either way, but I am of the opinion that when you start putting in limits as to # of words allowed etc, that you're well on the way to destroying the point of community.

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                    • #25
                      Shouldn't the point of community, at least this one, be the fruitful transference and development of ideas relating to chess? The inquiry as to member's feelings regarding limiting posts to X (yes, "200" was just a number off the top of your unworthy moderator's head!) number of words/post isn't/wasn't an attempt to stifle free-speach, but to facilitate it, along with it's complement Free-Thought. The Recipient should be as Free to reflect (without having spent a half hour or longer reading) as the Sender is free to Send. Over-load of information transference (disregarding the quality of the Signal-to-Noise Ratio, good or bad) can as easily hamper the development of understanding as fostering it.

                      I can see that limiting the posts a person might make per diem would go a long way towards injuring the purpose of this community. It seems to me, though, that a judicious limitation of words per post could only facillitate the purpose of this community...the signal to noise ratio would likely rise while the ratio of Noise to Signal would, of necessity, drop per post. Information transference would be expedited, wouldn't it?

                      Nobody that I'm aware of has as-yet complained about the 800-plus word limitation the PM function of the forum has in place. Did you guys even know about that?

                      Another smoothing of communications which a limit of words-per-post might produce is that the Writer would have to pause and "take a breath", allowing the Recipient to read and respond...discussions would tend more towards a multilateral dimension, rather than becoming monolithic declarations that might only tangenitally transfer the actual information the Querist was seeking.

                      However, consider the Noise-to-Signal ratio something like the following possesses. There's a trainload of Noise obscuring some very pertinent signal. The effect may be poetic at moments, but horribly tedious and unnecessary. I've spoilerized the bulk of it to keep the Annoyance-Factor to a minimum.

                      This is, of course, a reductio ab absurdum. However, I'm sure both myself and others have felt fully as discombobulated after having trying to finish a legitimate multi-thousand word post as I feel reading the horror spoilerized within.

                      Some wise soul once said "Less Is More".

                      "Signal to Noise"; a Ratio of Conscilience Arising Between the Brusque & the Absurd as Turn-Indicator Towards a Non-Rhetorical Paralepsis?

                      ~OR~

                      "Nobody Finds the Right-Move Because They're Too-Busy Looking After Their Pieces"

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                      Last edited by Celadonite; 10-20-2013, 09:48 PM.
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                      • #26
                        Do what you must. Was merely my opinion on the matter.

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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by doulos View Post
                          Do what you must. Was merely my opinion on the matter.
                          Truly not critisizing either you or your opinion duolos! I am responding, though.

                          I take it you didn't bother reading the "spoilerized horror"? There's actually some excellent signal in it, mixed in with tons of horrible noise. An artistic exaggeration upon some of the more loquacious posts I and others have created over the years.

                          I did find your previous post interesting, as I have everyone's posts here so far. The conclusions that this suggestion, if implemented, would destroy community is exactly the inverse result of what I'd expect...I'd expect such implementation to facillitate clarity and transferral of pertinent information. I'd expect it to foster community when nobody was buried by Avalanches of responses, but could receive their information in bite sizes: less conceptual/contextual choking, I would assume. More nourishment, less fat.

                          Kind of the difference between a nicely presented plate of food being set before you and having a whale carcass dumped on you by a construction-crane. One nourishes you and you can come back for more if you want, but the other just flattens you.

                          Too bad I'm the one who had to bring this up, I'm sure if another had brought it up it would have had a far better hearing and would have been viewed by all with far less of a jaundiced eye.

                          Oh, well!

                          As a thought-experiment, since names were named in an earlier post by Rimuel: would the idea have been more amenable if Cmonster had suggested it?

                          Amenable or not, it's obviously NOT going to be occurring. I've failed to convince anyone of its utility and promise--my fault. Perhaps in a couple years the concept will be resurfaced by another and its merits re-considered more favorably.

                          Until then, "Bon Appetit!" to us all Too much of the information tranference on this Forum these days seems to me alot like going to the County Fair expecting to enjoy a single piece of home-made pie but finding oneself instead impressed into a commercial hot-dog eating contest pitted against both clock and competitors. No nourishment, lots of indigestion. I know I'm not the only one feeling this, thus this thread's creation. Changing analogies, the quality of info transferral here these days too-often mirrors chessic-culture at large. Quantity of games/words more important than quality of games/words, and accumulating points more important than the achieving of insights into the actualities of the dynamics of both game and attendant culture.
                          Last edited by Celadonite; 10-20-2013, 11:06 PM.
                          "They work at the pace of amnesia."--M. Bloch

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                          • #28
                            I had to chuckle when the longest posts in this thread are advocating this idea.

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                            • #29
                              My thoughts exactly, Octal.

                              Look, Cela, instead of asking more "what if" questions, we should just start doing our correlative research on this. The way to get results is to do something, not talk about it. Also, contrary to popular beliefs, what people say they would do are not always consistent with what they actually do.



                              56 words.
                              Last edited by Rimuel V2; 10-21-2013, 03:13 AM.

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                              "Give up on yourself, and you give up on the world." - Joshua, TWEWY

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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by Octal View Post
                                I had to chuckle when the longest posts in this thread are advocating this idea.
                                Glad my time's not wasted, then. Since you had a good laugh, I can retire a happy man, my sole purpose in this marvelous universe resolved.

                                One thing I guess y'all don't realize. As moderators we hear from people. Even I hear from people, as hard as that is for a pinhead to imagine.

                                Recently, I heard from people re "too-lengthy posts".

                                So--as any good fool would--I start this thread, to see if some happy-resolution can come about. One that'll please the people.

                                Well, just as it should be in this Most Perfect of All Worlds, none of the people who contacted me with their gripes bother to post to this thread, so here I stand looking like the Fascist Idiot you all imagine me to be--hanging like a Pawn with its pants down, butt of jokes, ridiculed and scorned.

                                Buncha bull-tickee, as we used to say as kids. Shame on them, shame on you.

                                Oh, yeah...

                                So, have a good old laugh, and rejoice as idiots are wont to do.
                                "They work at the pace of amnesia."--M. Bloch

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