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At what point should a player be considered "good"?

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  • At what point should a player be considered "good"?

    This is one of the most subjective questions I have ever seen.

    If you talk to beginners, anyone who does not lose quickly should be considered good.

    If you talk to real tyros or patzers, anyone who does not drop a piece should be considered good.

    But most people on this board are not beginners, tyros or patzers (despite their protests).

    For me it falls under weak master or strong expert. I consider strong B players through weak experts to be okay as those are the players who tend to have complete games.

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    What's a "tyro"?

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    • #3
      Originally posted by Phoenix View Post
      What's a "tyro"?
      beginner in learning.

      I should have used words like fish, trout, lox and the like.

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      • #4
        An interesting subject, Zatoichi.

        I'm inclined to agree with your assessment, Experts and Weak Masters are where "Good" begins.
        "They work at the pace of amnesia."--M. Bloch

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        • #5
          Okay, this is a double-edged sword here and, in my opinion, necessitates two answers.

          1. In the grand scheme of things

          Yes, if you factor in 0-100, 0 being beginner and 100 being GM, then high expert/low master would be in the range of starting to be ‘good’. I’d have to agree with that. 2000-2200 is a big turning point for most players.

          However...

          2. In the real world

          If you only include MOST players, and by most I mean players who consider 2200 really strong, then I’d say ‘good’ starts at 1800. An 1800 player is skilled enough to find his way around the board with style, knows enough opening lines to get by, and might be delving into the world of endgames.

          Considering the USCF average player is 1391, 1800 is ‘good’.
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          • #6
            I would agree with Skwerly the most if I were to say my opinion. But you know, the opinion would really only matter to the individual if we were to delve deeper than what Skwerly said. And then you would have to ask that person. I know in my area.. "Good" starts at 1400, where as in places like NY, SF, or LA you might have to go to 1700-1800. So you could say it would be cultural. On average a "Good player" tends to be starting where a competitive player starts. This would be 1600 or the B class. But to an expert, those people will on average say that you are only good if you can get a title. I believe that good starts at 1600 personally, and I will say that even if I can get 2200. Cause-- I also believe that there is different levels of a good player.

            1. Good - 1600-1800
            2. Advanced - 1800-2000
            3. High advanced - 2000-2200
            4. Sub-awesome 2200-2400
            5. Awesome 2400-2600
            6. Great!! 2600-2700
            8. Greater 2700-2800
            9. Greatest of all time!! 2800+
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            • #7
              Good = Your rating + 200

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              • #8
                When you beat your dad.

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                • #9
                  Good pts, CM. It can indeed be geographical. If I lived in Iowa and was a 1450, nobody in a small town could probably touch me. Show up here, at a local club, at 1450, and you'd better like coffee because you'll have plenty of chances to get to the counter.
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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by thedarkknight View Post
                    When you beat your dad.
                    Chess players today are on average better than they were a couple of generations ago...

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Ponzi's Scheming View Post
                      Good = Your rating + 200

                      Funny, I've always just used "good = my rating."

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                      • #12
                        @this point in time for me "good" is not relative, but definitive.

                        There are some standards. A complete player comes to mind. A level of technique is part of that definition. Solid endgame. Can finsh to win with a clear material advantage.

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                        • #13
                          Well, yea, but just because a dad knows how to play chess and is decent doesn't mean he was competitive on the circuit. The rules haven't changed.
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                          • #14
                            I remember a quote of Kasparov: "Only me, Karpov, Ivanchuk, ... [I may miss a few others] can play chess. The rest are woodpushers."

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                            • #15
                              Want to be considered good? Just find somebody a lot worse than you. The kids at the library chess club thought I was another Kasparov. On the other hand I once heard a local master telling somebody at a tournament that I “played like Fischer.” He went on to explain the “Fischer” he was talking about was the guy rated 1100 in the U1200 section.
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