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[SOLVED] Obtain official Elo score online instead of in-person

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  • [SOLVED] Obtain official Elo score online instead of in-person

    Hi everyone,

    Does anyone know if there are any tournaments that are played online which result in an official Elo score being awarded? I don't get many tournaments my way, and it is a very long drive to anywhere that does. I also have little spare time, and definitely not an entire weekend anytime soon.

    Thanks!

  • #2
    No. An ELO rating is based on OTB play only.
    Each chess website, ICCF, CCLA, and probably each country have their own ratings. The U.S. has the USCF rating.
    The USCF used a numerical ratings system, devised by Kenneth Harkness, to allow members to track their individual progress in terms other than tournament wins and losses. The Harkness system was reasonably fair, but in some circumstances gave rise to ratings which many observers considered inaccurate. On behalf of the USCF, Elo devised a new system with a more statistical basis.

    The ELO system is also used in sports.

    From Wikipedia:
    FIDE ratings
    For top players, the most important rating is their FIDE rating. Since July 2009, FIDE issues a ratings list once every two months.
    The following analysis of the November FIDE rating list gives a rough impression of what a given FIDE rating means:
    5839 players had an active rating between 2200 and 2299, and are usually associated with the Candidate Master title.
    2998 players had an active rating between 2300 and 2399, and are usually associated with the FIDE Master title.
    1382 players had an active rating between 2400 and 2499, most of whom had either the International Master or the International Grandmaster title.
    587 players had an active rating between 2500 and 2599, most of whom had the International Grandmaster title
    178 players had an active rating between 2600 and 2699, all but one of whom had the International Grandmaster title
    42 players had an active rating between 2700 and 2799
    4 active players had a rating over 2800: Magnus Carlsen, Viswanathan Anand, Vladimir Kramnik and Levon Aronian.
    November 2011 marked the first time four players had a rating above 2800. The highest ever FIDE rating was 2851, which Garry Kasparov had on the July 1999 and January 2000 lists. A list of highest ever rated players is at Methods for comparing top chess players throughout history.

    ELO and Computer or electronic chess sets.
    Not always accurate. Sometimes the silicon or electronic set play stronger than indicated or weaker.

    Online chess tournaments or play may use an ELO type rating system. No reason why they can not. But it is not an official ELO rating.

    The USCF and Chess Review used to have their own postal tournaments: Beating a stronger player you got points.
    Losing to a stronger player you lost a few rating points.
    It was not an ELO system.

    The following if I recall was printed in Chess Life years ago and is now in Wikipedia.

    Elo rating system - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    Scroll to mathematical details.

    I could understand why ELO ratings can not be official in online play.
    15 minute games (FICS)
    3 day games.
    No clock games.
    Cheating.
    One website allows cheating.
    The official World Championship, now in Internet format,
    (formerly on postcards), now allows the use of software, books, magazines or whatever.

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    • #3
      Major correction:

      Elo is the main chess rating used.

      Uscf: elo some say slight changes to call it a hybred
      Fide: elo
      Icc: elo and they also run online uscf tournaments at WCL which is, you guessed it: Elo

      WCL: Glicko which was invented by mark glickman they inheritted the formula from fics

      FICS: Glicko

      Chess.com : elo
      RHP:ELO
      Slowchess: Elo though very very inflated. I am almost 2600 there. Haha¡

      A lot of Europe uses the British chess federation grade system. Also canada combines Elo and BCF, as well as use uscf deoending on the area they live.

      I can also run tournament online that are elo. Elo and glicko are like fathet and son so you can almost call glicko elo jr. The problem with running elo tournaments is no one wants to do it. The problem with cheating is two fold.

      1. The tournaments that have money and prizes involved need to be policed for cheating. This is difficult online if not impossible without having a certified td at all locations involved.

      2. People who are worried about the cheating without money and prizes worry about the stability of the rating.

      That is all that is if concern.

      Hope this helps.


      Edit: For the inaccuracy claims. No¡ I repeat NO rating is inaccurate. It is mathatically impossible for you to claim this considering most people are comparing their rating from one system to another. This is incorrect. You can only compare them as pool to pool. For example: take 50 players who have a rating of 1600 uscf, if they fall within 50-100 points in another system then there is a 'good chance' you should fall in that range in that system. This is heavily dependant on the fact that you have a lot of players in both systems. This resets when comparing to another system. The only thing that makes a rating inaccurate even remotely is cheating and comps but that is refuted by the fact that a rating isnt strength. Its a measure of performance within a community. So this inaccurate rating as you say is indeed accurate as long as you use it for what it is intended. YOUR PERFORMANCE WITH IN A SYSTEM. And it is an average performance at that.
      Last edited by CookieMonster; 12-21-2011, 05:33 PM. Reason: Addition
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      • #4
        WCL has quick rated USCF tourneys but, because of the high probability of cheating, only quick ratings are done online. The tourneys are 5/1.

        But as far as a regular long rating, no; you have to play OTB for that.
        Alexander Alekhine is my chess hero.

        An eerie chess short story: The Empty Chair

        My newest chess story: Gamble: A Supernatural Chess Tale

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        • #5
          True, but the reason is purely that no one WANTS to do the work it takes to make it legit. I barely want to run one with tds at all sites involved. Its a lot of work.
          I am a proud supporter of the GM Igor Smirnov way of teaching. If you would like to see the system and want to try out his teaching methods please follow this link: http://chess-teacher.com/affiliates/...?id=1517_2_3_1

          If you have questions/want a tutor inquire with messages. I am going to rewrite my web page and it will also go here.

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          • #6
            Official ELO rating was the question.
            There is no internet chess experience that will give you an official ELO rating. Possibly some chess playing website may use an ELO. But that rating is for the Website only.
            I am assuming in regard to the question, an official ELO rating that would be recognized by All. Not quite.
            The USCF switched to ELO in the 1970's. Chess Life ran an article explaining the math.
            The Golden Knights Tournament did not use the ELO if I recall correctly.
            In effect to get an OFFICIAL ELO RATING you must play OTB.

            Yes, many websites use the ELO, but that is for their ratings.

            I would imagine Yahoo! switching to an ELO System.
            You know and I know that the ratings would be suspect.

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            • #7
              What I was correcting was you saying that Elo was only OTB. I did not deny that FIDE was only OTB which I am not so sure about. These days anything is possible. Talking like what USCF did 30-40 years ago¿ Is that even valid¿ I suppose if you wanted to say you were only talking FIDE you could have asked if he only wanted FIDE. ;-) But then I would get up to date info. That is all I am doing. Updating ovbiously outdated answers. He asked if he could get an Elo. The answer is yes. It is up to him to classify it as a valid rating. My opinion is if you dont respect online ratings its either you don't understand ratings or you have a poor online rating and don't want to admit it is accurate. The best placing to get an official Elo type grade is FICS and ICC. They are consistent, they try to police the games, and they have over 6000 members. The grades in my opinion seem to correlate well with comparison to each other. ICC I am ~2050 FICS I am ~2100 and USCF I am ~2000.

              ICC - Internet Chess Club: Where the Grandmasters Play Online Chess
              FICS - Free Internet Chess Server (FICS)

              They require you to go through a registration, and it is best if you are willing to learn the basic command structure. Once you accomplish that the sites are extremely powerful.
              I am a proud supporter of the GM Igor Smirnov way of teaching. If you would like to see the system and want to try out his teaching methods please follow this link: http://chess-teacher.com/affiliates/...?id=1517_2_3_1

              If you have questions/want a tutor inquire with messages. I am going to rewrite my web page and it will also go here.

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              • #8
                And the WCL USCF tourneys are graded per Elo. That's just the way it is.
                Alexander Alekhine is my chess hero.

                An eerie chess short story: The Empty Chair

                My newest chess story: Gamble: A Supernatural Chess Tale

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                • #9
                  Indeed.. Haha Skwerly you are funny. I love it¡
                  I am a proud supporter of the GM Igor Smirnov way of teaching. If you would like to see the system and want to try out his teaching methods please follow this link: http://chess-teacher.com/affiliates/...?id=1517_2_3_1

                  If you have questions/want a tutor inquire with messages. I am going to rewrite my web page and it will also go here.

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