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[Strategy] What would be your plan in this position

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  • [Strategy] What would be your plan in this position

    Hi,

    This week-end, I played a game, and lost whereas I had a better position (2 pawns & quality).

    Here is the position (I played with Blacks) where I began to take bad decisions :



    My mistake was to have a bad plan : I tried to obtain the weak pawn on column e. But it was defended by the Knight, and it was impossible for my Bishop to attack it. When I realized that I cannot capture it, I toke another bad decision : open my colums f & g, to attack the king side, but my own King was no more protected by pawns. And Whites finally attacked my King, and I lost.

    So, I wonder : what would be your plan in this position ? To develop Queen side by moving pawns a & b ? And open columns a & b (or c) for the Rooks ?

    Thanks,
    Seb.
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  • #2
    Here's what I would do:

    First, activate my bishop. My goal is to put the bishop on e4. From there, is dominates a lot of key central squares, including pressuring the potentially target square on g2.

    Then I'd double my rooks on the half-open file, with the idea of performing a "rook lift" - Re8-e6-g6 ... more pressure on g2, or, if I want, move it to the h-file, threatening to crash through that way.

    The nature of the position is that you don't need to advance your pawns on the kingside to attack.

    But the first rule of positions like this is improve your worst-placed piece. That's got to be your bishop, which is "bad" but is a strong piece on e4. so Bf4 is a good first move. Then double your rooks. You'll have a hard time winning the e3 pawn because white can defend it with the bishop but use the open file to activate your pieces.

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    • #3
      One plan might be the simple a5 shove, threatening to bust up the a and b pawns, and then start qside pawns rolling to pressure his position.
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      • #4
        If it was your move then Qb1 winning the a pawn and making the b pawn very weak.

        But in general, plan would be Bg4, trying to exchange any pieces off. Whilst looking for any Qb1+ winning a pawn.

        If white pedantically refuses to trade pieces then Rac8, c5 breaking his pawn chain.

        Then just overwhelm whites position.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Skwerly View Post
          One plan might be the simple a5 shove, threatening to bust up the a and b pawns, and then start qside pawns rolling to pressure his position.
          That's not the correct plan in this position. In fact, a queenside pawn advance is black's main strategy in this position, as a "minority attack" might generate some prospects.

          Originally posted by Gargareth View Post

          But in general, plan would be Bg4, trying to exchange any pieces off. Whilst looking for any Qb1+ winning a pawn.

          If white pedantically refuses to trade pieces then Rac8, c5 breaking his pawn chain.
          Pushing c5 is bad because it turns the bishop on B2 into a very powerful piece.

          You don't want to give him uncontested control over the long diagonal. An uncontested bishop on a long diagonal can easily be as valuable as a rook - although in this case it probably won't be (because black has a good plan to get his rooks active) as a general rule, you want to avoid activating your opponents pieces for him.

          Bg4 is fine, but a little robotic. Yes, you want to trade pieces, but you don't want to do so mindlessly. The thread to f3 isn't that meaningful, because Bxf3 gxf3! Qmoves e4! and white gets his central pawns rolling and - again - has activated his bishop on the long diagonal.

          The weakness of e4 and black's bad bishop are major weaknesses in white's position, and black should strive to maintain them. The bishop on e4 is likely to be so powerful that white will feel compelled to swap his knight off for it himself, allowing black to recapture with a rook, keeping pressure on the weak pawn.

          That square is so weak that I suspect black is easily winning if you gave white the exchange back, say, swapping the N on f3 for a R on c8.

          I'm harping on this because it's worth pointing out: yes, trading pieces is a correct strategy, but there's not need to rush to do it, so find a way to do it which maintains your other advantages, too.

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          • #6
            thanks guys,

            I am going to try to replay this game on my computer.
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            • #7
              When I analysed the position I forgot to put the white e1 rook down so my ideas were wrong, my point of just trading down and the c5 idea would be fine under those circumstances as you are winning by huge amounts.

              Bg4 IS a good idea in the correct position, connecting rooks and moving to exchange down to a won game.

              Black should try to trade his bishop off for whites knight, he should leave the pawn structure as is and bring the rooks in. Trade queens when possible and just crush him with your 2 rooks vs his rook and awful bishop.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Gargareth View Post
                Bg4 IS a good idea in the correct position, connecting rooks and moving to exchange down to a won game.

                Black should try to trade his bishop off for whites knight, he should leave the pawn structure as is and bring the rooks in. Trade queens when possible and just crush him with your 2 rooks vs his rook and awful bishop.
                Do you see how you can't force a trade of B for N (which I agree is a good goal) without changing the pawn structure in white's favor?

                Whereas, if you put the B on e4, and activate your other pieces, white will probably be forced to bring his knight back to he'll try to initiate the swap himself, on e4 ... where you can recapture with the rook.

                Bg4 x f3 isn't bad. But Bf5-e4 is better.

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                • #9
                  You don't force the trade, you make it in whites best interest to trade. ...Bg4 Ne5 f6 Bxg4 Qxg4
                  Other moves from white -
                  Nd2 allows the position to be quickly overrun in a fairly obvious way,
                  Nh2, Re6, Kg1 Rae8, Nf1, Rf6, Qd2, Bf3
                  Ng1 is an obvious blunder.

                  If white leaves the knight where it is and plays something like Ba3 then you just exchange bishop for knight, then if queen recaptures then exchange queens, if gxf3 then Qd3+ and black should win easily.

                  Playing slow positional ideas will will, but simplification arising from Bg4 will win quicker.

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