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A guy at the club really ticked me off this afternoon.

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  • A guy at the club really ticked me off this afternoon.

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    Last edited by pgmrdan; 05-04-2012, 01:09 AM.
    "Slow down and the world comes to you." A Cat in the Hat cartoon

  • #2
    Don't give up tactics because of age!
    You can still learn, play the openings you want! You'll learn while you play, why don't you try both?
    Try harder!

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    • #3
      imo 1. e4 is the way to go. Positional play is usually not recommended for beginners - its something that more experienced players would have an easier time with.

      If your a beginner then you probably want to concentrate on getting your pieces out and forming a solid center, and eventually forming an attack - the open game(1.e4) is a good way to do that. Look at Morphy's games.
      Opening Repertoire
      - White
      : Scotch Gambit , Belgrade Gambit, KIA, Blackmar-Diemer Gambit, Bc4 Alekine's
      - Black: Nimzowitsch defense(1...Nc6), the Black Knights Tango, Pseudo Dutch and KID

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      • #4
        1. e4 makes more sense for a beginner. 1. d4 openings are much more complex and have subtle points that are beyond a beginner's understanding.
        USCF: 2248, High: 2295
        FIDE: 2193, High: 2229
        Games Left to Analyze: 9

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        • #5
          Play what you want to play, you'll learn nothing if you're playing a style you don't like.
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          • #6
            I like off beat openings that are sound. Everyone and his dog learns 1.e4 lines, so you will find it difficult to really get an opening advantage with what everyone knows.


            I really hated going against off beat openings and I've found that I really like playing them.

            I play the Nimzo Larsen with the white pieces and the Qd6 Scandinavian against 1.e4. I usually play the KID against everything else. I think I'll look for something other than the KID to continue in my wanderings down roads less traveled.

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            • #7
              IMO, if you don't know middle-game concepts you might find it hard to hold an opening 'advantage' for more than a few moves anyhow- so find a good "general" book and start working through it.
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              • #8
                Youre never too old to learn any openings. Play what you want to play and are comfortable playing.
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                • #9
                  Originally posted by pgmrdan
                  Pauly1515, I agree with you 100%.

                  I've been working on tactics and end games since the beginning of March. Recently I've also worked on opening principles and now want to work on a beginner's type opening repertoire.

                  I've been working on tactics, end games, and openings - in that order.
                  yep- a great idea if you're still improving (or u/1900) is to find a bunch of middle game books, pick out all the games from openings you're interested in, and go through the opening through middle game texts.

                  Way better than just learning the theory- you'll have to do the middle game stuff eventually anyway so why not!
                  Last edited by Pauly1515; 11-05-2010, 08:56 AM.
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                  • #10
                    Why not play both e4 and d4.
                    " Deep calculation is not what distinguishes the champions. It does not matter how far ahead you see if you don't understand what you are looking at. When I contemplate my move, I first must consider all the elements in the position so that i can develop a strategy and develop intermediate objectives"

                    -- Garry Kasparov--

                    "Tactics must be guided by strategy"

                    --- Garry Kasparov--

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                    • #11
                      Tal was still playing (and winning) tactical games at 56, so obviously you can.

                      It takes a lot of energy to play top level chess, to focus on the board for hours at a time and not make a mistake. A lot of chess players peak out at age 40 because that's when their energy levels start declining (at least, that's what Kolchnoi claims). That's probably where your friend gets his idea.

                      If you can keep your energy levels up for the entire game, play tactical games (and beat the old geezer). Nothing to stop you unless you get tired, and even at that point it'd be preferable to take up jogging to improve your energy, instead of letting it affect your playing style.

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                      • #12
                        Incidentally, you might consider that the old guy was encouraging you to play positional games because he was afraid he wouldn't be able to stand against you in open, tactical games.

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                        • #13
                          That's total BS. Play what you like. Your chances of world champ are likely out the window anyhow haha. Have FUN! It's a game!
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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by pgmrdan

                            That guy's game is declining to the point that he doesn't play in OTB tournaments any more, strictly correspondence tournaments. He plays OTB socially at the club and perhaps elsewhere.
                            Aw, poor guy. Tell him to take up jogging and eat more vegetables so he can keep up his energy levels. Kolchnoi still plays a mean game over the board, and he's older by more than a decade.

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                            • #15
                              pgmrdan,

                              I'm around your age, and frankly don't understand what your older friend is thinking claiming d4 games are in any way easier than e4 games.

                              Tactical opportunities quite simply present themselves with e4 games, and they're not hard to discern, generally. Deeper thought provides deeper tactics, but in e4 games such opportunities, fully ripe or not, are basically hanging there waiting to be plucked.

                              d4 games, on the contrary, get exceedingly deep and murky and quite quickly, too.

                              I'm thinking your older friend's a bit confused if he is suggesting that e4 games are in any way more difficult. I actually find e4 games a refreshing vacation from d4 games in that the e4 is generally so straightforward by comparison.

                              There's good reasons Fischer preferred e4 games, not least of which, I think, is that they don't lead into that deep dark forest Tal spoke of as readily as d4 does. e4 is much more straightforward and rational, usually.
                              Last edited by Celadonite; 11-07-2010, 11:28 PM.
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