It was the first thing that I thought when reading the topic, of course the black color answers e6 and Qh4 ++

The computer, zzzzzztrainer, on FICS has used that opening twice on me and I lost the first time it did it 'cause I was thinking BOTH of the reasons you mentioned! Also, very sad for me as Black to have the below position and with it being my move...and it turn out to be a 92 move slopfest victory for me.

Position after 5. Kh3

[Event "unrated blitz match"]
[Site "Free Internet Chess Server"]
[Date "2007.06.24"]
[Round "?"]
[White "zzzzzztrainer"]
[Black "FinFangFoom"]
[Result "0-1"]
[WhiteElo "1447E"]
[BlackElo "1278"]
[ECO "A00"]
[TimeControl "120+12"]

1. f3 e5 2. Kf2 Nc6 3. e4 Bc5+ 4. Kg3 Qg5+ 5. Kh3 Be7 6. g3 d5+ 7. Kg2 dxe4
8. fxe4 Qh6 9. d3 Qg6 10. Kf2 Bc5+ 11. Be3 Bxe3+ 12. Kxe3 Qg5+ 13. Kf2 Bg4
14. Be2 Bxe2 15. Nxe2 Nd4 16. Kg2 O-O-O 17. Nxd4 exd4 18. Qc1 Qxc1 19. Rxc1
Nh6 20. Rf1 Rde8 21. Nd2 f5 22. Rae1 Ng4 23. Nc4 b5 24. h3 bxc4 25. hxg4 fxe4
26. dxe4 d3 27. Rf2 Rd8 28. Rd1 Rhe8 29. cxd3 Rxd3 30. Re1 Rd4 31. Rfe2 Rd3
32. Rc1 Rf8 33. Rxc4 Rff3 34. Kh1 Rxg3 35. Ra4 Rxg4 36. Kh2 Rgg3 37. Rxa7
Rh3+ 38. Kg2 Rhg3+ 39. Kf2 Rdf3+ 40. Ke1 Rg1+ 41. Kd2 Rgg3 42. Ra8+ Kb7 43.
Rh8 h6 44. a3 Rd3+ 45. Kc2 Rd6 46. Kb1 Rd1+ 47. Kc2 Rgg1 48. Kc3 Rh1 49. Rg8
g5 50. b3 Rc1+ 51. Kd4 Rhd1+ 52. Ke5 Rc3 53. Rb2 Re3 54. Rh8 Rde1 55. Rxh6
Rxe4+ 56. Kf5 g4 57. Rg6 Re5+ 58. Kxg4 R1e4+ 59. Kf3 Re3+ 60. Kf4 R3e4+ 61.
Kf3 Re1 62. Ra2 Rf5+ 63. Kg4 Rf8 64. b4 Rg1+ 65. Kh5 Rh8+ 66. Rh6 Rh1+ 67.
Kg6 R8xh6+ 68. Kf7 R6h2 69. Rxh2 Rxh2 70. Ke6 Ra2 71. Kd5 Rxa3 72. Kc5 Rc3+
73. Kd4 Rc6 74. Kd5 Rc1 75. Kd4 Kb6 76. Kd3 Kb5 77. Kd2 Rc6 78. Kd3 Kxb4 79.
Kd4 Kb3 80. Ke4 Rd6 81. Ke5 Rd1 82. Ke4 c5 83. Ke3 c4 84. Ke2 Rd8 85. Ke3 c3
86. Kf4 Re8 87. Kg5 Rf8 88. Kg6 c2 89. Kg7 Rf2 90. Kh6 Rg2 91. Kh7 c1=Q 92.
Kh8 Qh1# {zzzzzztrainer checkmated} 0-1

That's also the strength of some other minor openings. Opponents tend to think that they should be mating their opponent in 20 moves or less. But why? Just play like you usually do: improve your pieces, try to win a pawn or piece, and exchange into a won endgame Keeping the illusion that there must be a forced mate somewhere just makes you get a worse position. You'll be too focused on mating him in a certain way, that you'll forget about the rest of the board.

Indeed. If your opponent exposes his king, that generally means you're going to get tactical opportunities against him, but that doesn't mean you need to sacrifice like mad.

I've seen 1.e4 a5 2.Nf3 Ra6?! 3.Bxa6 Nxa6 work surprisingly well. The point is that the material difference isn't as big as you think it is, and, in fact, since many weaker players never get their rooks involved, sometimes white ends up being, practically speaking, down material. (You're not up an exchange if your rook is sitting on a1 not doing anything).

But I wouldn't recommend it ...

After 5.Kh3 Black has a huge plus.
1. King Safety: Obviously White's King is exposed.
2. Mobility: Black has more mobility for pieces than White.
3. Threats: Black has several possible threats against White.
4. Pawn Structure: Black's advantage is that his pawns do not block movement of his pieces.
5. Center: Black has a grip on the d4 square. White's hold on d5 can be broken.
5-; Be7 may be questionable. Will have to run Shredder against the line.
Shredder goes to the throat. HIARCS says Q checks.

I actually got good results online a long time ago with a4, h4, Na3, Nh3, g3, b3, Bg2, Bb2 as my first moves. It especially worked well against this IM, Miodrag Perunovic. It's quite solid, and as long as white stays patient (and doesn't try to blow up black's center) he is far from lost yet. I remember I got better scores than 50% against him back then. It was especially surprisingly high, because usually he beats me 60-40 or 70-30, but with that opening I got 50-50 or better

yes, but you are probably playing a time control thats so fast, that it really doesnt have meaning anyway. i dont see the point in these 1minute oddball openings. Ok, you may win sometimes, but in the long run, or as you play stronger players, your just gonna be embarresed. At worst you may run into Morozevic(yes, this will definatley happen!)...and he will actually know those crazy lines off the back of his hand,lol that would be fun to see

I cannot help but feel disgusted when someone plays that against me.

1. a4 Nf6 2. h4 e5 3. Na3 d5 4. Nh3 Nc6 5. g3 Bc5 6. Bg2 Bf5 7. b3 0-0 8. Bb2 Qd7


You're not lost yet. Black has done nothing wrong in my example, played it 3 times against friends won easily on all accounts. Black has the center, and can sit on it or go after white (after building up). If I lose against this stuff (or draw for that matter) I'm either dead or drunk.

That's why alot lose though. They feel they have to win, no matter what. Even if they're playing a strong player, they think they have to win.

In that position you have, white could play c4, or c3 and d4, or e3 and d4... You're not winning so easily.

Which relates to something I think I've mentioned in an e5-Scandinavian thread.
A lot of 1. e4 players (yes I know I'm black here!) don't know how to use a superior position to their advantage and convert it to something tangible. I assume that is what you meant, and I completely understand.
White has up to this point been patzing, I mean come on, a4, h4, Na3, Nh3? 4 moves that don't do anything close to direct in the center. However, the double fianchetto isn't bad (albeit slow) and it can't be broken up by pawnbreakers anytime soon.

1. a4 Nf6 2. h4 e5 3. Na3 d5 4. Nh3 Nc6 5. g3 Bc5 6. Bg2 Bf5 7. b3 0-0 8. Bb2 Qd7 9. c4 Rad8
Without giving it much thought: 10. cxd5 Nxd511. e4 Bg4 12. f3 Ndb4 13. fxg4 Nd3+
I wouldn't call it analysis, but more of an example of what can happen.