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06-10-2009, 07:46 PM
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Caro-Kann problems
Hello,
Can anyone recommend a good, solid opening line in the Caro-Kann? I play e4, so there might be a response of c6. I can't seem to handle Caro-Kann well. The opening seems to throw the game into some unbalanced positions, which doesn't seem to work well for me as White. Usually the opponent takes advantage of my weak squares.
I'm rated approx. 1550.
I tried the Panov, but the isolated pawn is something I'm not comfortable with. Then someone recommended the Advanced Variation e5, followed by Bd3 with a possible exchange of the light Bishops. However it seems that White will need to play c3 at some point and this just seems like a major weakness on the light squares.
So I was thinking maybe either a regular line with Nc3 or the Panov with a more quiet Nf3 line, instead of Bg5.
What do you think? Any recommendations?
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06-10-2009, 07:51 PM
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You could just play the very, very simple:
1 e4 c6 2 d4 d5 3 exd5 cxd5 4 Bd3. Gives white a small advantage with not much risk. Basically, you'll develop normally and try to control the e5-square. You may have to worry about black launching a minority attack on the queen-side, but you'll have play in the center and king-side.
3 Nc3 is the main line if you want to go that direction. Definitely some theory to learn there.
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06-10-2009, 07:55 PM
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I just play the Two Knights (1. e4 c6 2. Nc3 d5 3. Nf3). It works fine with me.
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06-10-2009, 08:19 PM
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Here's a line I sometimes use to take Caro-kann players out their game: 1.e4 c6 2.Nf3 d5 3.exd5 cxd5 4. Ne5?! This move kills blacks opportunity to pin white's knight on f3. The game can continue: 4. Ne5 Nc6 5. Bb5 Bd7 6.Nxd7 Qxd7. White gets the two bishops but on his terms. There's also 5....Qb6 6.Nc3 a6 7.Ba4 leaving black to still worry about the queenside pressure. If black continues with e6, you should celebrate because it means you've won the opening fight - black has kept his annoying bishop on c8 square. There is also 5... Qc7. You can continue with 6.f4 a6 7. Be2 Bf5 8.c3 e6 9. 0-0 Nf6 10. Nd2 for example.
Not much theory to memorize and very playable. You can launch a kingside pawn storm, overprotect e4 with Bf3 & Qe2. I don't know if it is an official line so I call it the Exchange Variation - Clarke's (your's truly) line.
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06-10-2009, 09:56 PM
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Hmm.. well if the Panov-Botvinnik doesn't suit you, don't play it!
Now, I'd play 2. d4 no matter what, the Two Knights I have little confidence in. With white, I just go for the usual 3. Nc3 business. You don't have to be a rocket scientist to play those lines.
I used to tinker with 3. f3 the Fantasy variation, which is interesting, but it tends to be a bit messier and slower, a solid option if you like such play. Unless someone finds some new ways to play against a positional black defense, I'm not playing it.
The Exchange variation with 3. exd5 cxd5 4. Bd3 is pretty good. In fact, it's my alternative to 3. Nc3.
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White:
- Ruy Lopez
- Sicilian Defense: Chekhover variation, Rossolimo variation, 2. ... e6 3. d4
- French Defense: Bogo-Winawer variation, Alekhine-Chatard attack
- Pirc Defense: Byrne variation
Black:
- Ruy Lopez: Modern Steinitz variation
- Two Knights Defense: Fritz variation, Ulvestadt variation
- King's Gambit: Falkbeer Countergambit: Nimzowitsch variation
- Tarrasch Defense
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06-10-2009, 11:31 PM
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Many thanks for all your replies. Some good stuff here, definiately.
I. Well, my initial idea was to try the Panov, since I thought it would usually come as a surprise to Black player. Unfortunately it seems like a double-edged weapon. So I'd rather not persist to play it and instead explore some other options.
II. The next idea was the Exchange Variation main line with 4.Bd3, as some of you suggested. Yet after 4...Nc6, you are rather forced to play 5.c3, no? I don't like this move played so early on, since it creates light squares weaknesses.
III. I might try and experiment with the Two Knights. I didn't think about it. I'll give it a try. So let's say something like: 1. e4 c6 2. Nc3 d5 3. Nf3 Bg4 with an irritating pin. After 4.h3 Black can either retreat or exchange. I don't know... According to chess databases Black and White chances are equal, so statistically nothing wrong with this variation. I just don't know to what type of postiotions they will lead.
IV. As to the line suggested by "arabianmate":
1.e4 c6 2.Nf3 d5 3.exd5 cxd5 4. Ne5?! -- interesting alternative. According to chess database there is nothign statistically wrong with this line, although it definiately seems like a "road less travelled". Again, I will need to give it a try and see. It seems appealing at first sight.
Yet something seems wrong with your move order: 5... Qc7 6.f4 a6 7. Be2 (huh??? doesn't this drop a pawn to Nxe5 fxe5 Qxe5 ???) Bf5 8.c3 e6 9. 0-0 Nf6 10. Nd2 for example. (Nd2???) Also: "You can launch a kingside pawn storm, overprotect e4 (you mean e5?) with Bf3 & Qe2."
Another thing is, did you consider this: 1. e4 c6 2. Nf3 d5 3. exd5 cxd5 4. Ne5 Bf5 ?? Lets' say 5.d4 e6 and the light Bishop is out. If 6.Bb5+ then just Nc6, no?
V. Fantasy Variation with 3.f3 also seems interesting. Never played it, so I will need to explore it. My chess database says nothing wrong with it statistically.
VI. "the usual 3. Nc3 business" Hm, maybe I rejected it too soon... Most likely I've noticed that it led to some wild positions with pieces all over the board. Maybe I'm wrong.
Overall great input. Thank you for all the comments and suggestions. I will need to explore some of these lines and see what's the outcome. You've sparkled some ideas of how to try to refute Black's pesky Caro-Kann Defense.
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06-10-2009, 11:37 PM
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I wouldn't say playing c3 creates a light-square weakness. You could say that moving any pawn creates some kind of weakness, in which case you wouldn't be able to move at all. I'm not sure you really understand what a positional weakness is, based on your comments.
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06-11-2009, 12:43 AM
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Originally Posted by Abba
I wouldn't say playing c3 creates a light-square weakness. You could say that moving any pawn creates some kind of weakness, in which case you wouldn't be able to move at all. I'm not sure you really understand what a positional weakness is, based on your comments.
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I think he is talking about the 1 e4 c6 2 d4 d5 3 e5 Bf5 4 Bd3 Bxd3 5 Qxd3 line. Aron Nimzowitsch vs Jose Raul Capablanca (1927) "The <i>Other</i> Immortal Zugzwang" really put some doubt into this line (perhaps unjustly), where White's weaknesses in the light squares (f5, for example) helped lead to his demise. These weaknesses were clearly apparent after White helping out black by playing 16 g4? an 18 g5 (which seemed forced after 16 g4?).
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06-11-2009, 02:41 AM
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The problem with the light squares is because the light-squared bishop is traded. It's the same with a fianchetto, where trading that bishop will create some weaknesses in those pawns, but it's not always very serious.
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06-11-2009, 12:08 PM
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II. Basically, yes 1. e4 c6 2. d4 d5 3. exd5 cxd5 4. Bd3 Nc6 5. c3 is a main line. Nothing to worry about though, 5. c3 is no weaker than 1. e4. Yes, it moves a pawn on a half-open file so what? Black will have to play e6 at some point. It keeps the d-pawn locked down (which is quite important) and prevents Nb4 maneuvers. It doesn't lock in any pieces though it hinders the b1-Knight somewhat but that knight can hop around like in the Ruy Lopez.
As for the weakened light squares, black has a tough time reaching those. Black cannot play Bf5 because white played Bd3 preventing that typical Caro-Kann move. In fact, usually, black will lock the bishop in with e6...
V. Statistics mean (almost) nothing.
VI. Yes, the main line can lead to wild positions with pieces flying all over. But so can just about every opening starting with 1. e4. It all depends on how you play it and what your opponent does about it.
But you'll never refute the Caro-Kann, it's too sound a defense.
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White:
- Ruy Lopez
- Sicilian Defense: Chekhover variation, Rossolimo variation, 2. ... e6 3. d4
- French Defense: Bogo-Winawer variation, Alekhine-Chatard attack
- Pirc Defense: Byrne variation
Black:
- Ruy Lopez: Modern Steinitz variation
- Two Knights Defense: Fritz variation, Ulvestadt variation
- King's Gambit: Falkbeer Countergambit: Nimzowitsch variation
- Tarrasch Defense
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