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06-11-2009, 05:48 PM
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Yet something seems wrong with your move order: 5... Qc7 6.f4 a6 7. Be2 (huh??? doesn't this drop a pawn to Nxe5 fxe5 Qxe5 ???) Bf5 8.c3 e6 9. 0-0 Nf6 10. Nd2 for example. (Nd2???) Also: "You can launch a kingside pawn storm, overprotect e4 (you mean e5?) with Bf3 & Qe2."
Another thing is, did you consider this: 1. e4 c6 2. Nf3 d5 3. exd5 cxd5 4. Ne5 Bf5 ?? Lets' say 5.d4 e6 and the light Bishop is out. If 6.Bb5+ then just Nc6, no?
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Lol! You're right. I was doing it visioning the moves in my head thinking d4 was already played. The correct line would be 5. ...Qc7 6. d4 a6 7.Bxc6 bxc6 8.Qf3 Nf6 9.Bf4.
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06-11-2009, 06:03 PM
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Another thing is, did you consider this: 1. e4 c6 2. Nf3 d5 3. exd5 cxd5 4. Ne5 Bf5 ?? Lets' say 5.d4 e6 and the light Bishop is out. If 6.Bb5+ then just Nc6, no?
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In the line you mentioned above. 5....e6 cannot be good after d4. 6.Bb5+ Nc6
and black loses a pawn after 7. Nxc6 Qb6 8. Nxa7+ Ke7 with problems developing. You can also play 7.c3 with hopes of Qa4 for more pressure.
The line I would recommend however, 5.Qf3 if 5...e6 then 6. g4 Bg6 7.h4 Nf6 8.Qb3
What do you think?
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06-11-2009, 09:36 PM
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Probably the best way, go to Chessgames.com or Chesslive.de and enter the Caro-Kann moves. Play over 100 Grandmaster games. Especially relevant was the Fischer-Euwe game played in the early 60's. Fischer was given the line by Benko. Also see the Tal-Botvinnik Return Match. In the second match quite a few Caro - Kanns were played. The Collins way, (he taught the young Fischer) was to play 100 Grandmaster games. I would suggest do the same.
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06-29-2009, 03:35 AM
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i suggest you take a look at some recent games of GM Teimour Radjabov starting 1e4 c6 2d4 d5 3ed cd 4Bd3, especially the one where he beat GM Alexander Grischuk. but for me, an attacking player myself, i prefer the panov-botvinnik, and i just try to avoid the ending with this line as when a Black Knight lands on d5 it can't be nudged from there.
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07-25-2009, 11:09 PM
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in the advance variation, Bd3 should be assumed as white. If black gets his light squared bishop out without you trading it off, he's probably equalized. You should absolutely trade your "good" bishop for black's "bad" one in the CKD. You'll have the center locked up and so you'd be better off trading bishop for bishop rather than letting him trade it for your king's knight.
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07-25-2009, 11:19 PM
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Originally Posted by dastrn
in the advance variation, Bd3 should be assumed as white. If black gets his light squared bishop out without you trading it off, he's probably equalized. You should absolutely trade your "good" bishop for black's "bad" one in the CKD. You'll have the center locked up and so you'd be better off trading bishop for bishop rather than letting him trade it for your king's knight.
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The 'bad' bishop isn't bad in the Caro-Kann if it's outside the pawn chain, one of the reasons white should trade it off. That said, Be2 is entirely possible, although quite rare considering Bd3 and an exchange of bishops is the standard in an awful lot of CK lines.
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- Ruy Lopez
- Sicilian Defense: Chekhover variation, Rossolimo variation, 2. ... e6 3. d4
- French Defense: Bogo-Winawer variation, Alekhine-Chatard attack
- Pirc Defense: Byrne variation
Black:
- Ruy Lopez: Modern Steinitz variation
- Two Knights Defense: Fritz variation, Ulvestadt variation
- King's Gambit: Falkbeer Countergambit: Nimzowitsch variation
- Tarrasch Defense
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07-26-2009, 01:29 AM
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Originally Posted by Perseus
The 'bad' bishop isn't bad in the Caro-Kann if it's outside the pawn chain, one of the reasons white should trade it off. That said, Be2 is entirely possible, although quite rare considering Bd3 and an exchange of bishops is the standard in an awful lot of CK lines.
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I completely agree, hence the "quotes". I'm a CKD player and the only move in that position I don't want to see is Bd3.
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07-26-2009, 03:20 AM
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Originally Posted by dastrn
I completely agree, hence the "quotes". I'm a CKD player and the only move in that position I don't want to see is Bd3.
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Well, it's not a welcome move in any opening where its outside the pawn chain but it goes with the territory. On the bright side, it isn't sitting back somewhere at c8-d7-b7 being useless.
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White:
- Ruy Lopez
- Sicilian Defense: Chekhover variation, Rossolimo variation, 2. ... e6 3. d4
- French Defense: Bogo-Winawer variation, Alekhine-Chatard attack
- Pirc Defense: Byrne variation
Black:
- Ruy Lopez: Modern Steinitz variation
- Two Knights Defense: Fritz variation, Ulvestadt variation
- King's Gambit: Falkbeer Countergambit: Nimzowitsch variation
- Tarrasch Defense
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