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06-23-2009, 04:09 AM
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Just one thing though:
At the club level, would the typical Sicilian Defense player (as black) be more afraid/less well-prepared for an Open Sicilian attack (e.g. Richter-Rauzer, Yugoslav, etc.) or an anti-Sicilian?
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06-23-2009, 04:36 AM
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Most club players who play the Sicilian have a pet line of the Open Sicilian that they're looking to play. Otherwise, they wouldn't play the Sicilian. Going with an anti-Sicilian both cuts down on the Open lines you need to learn and gets them out of their preferred line.
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06-23-2009, 04:41 AM
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While fromper is correct, the anti-sicilians are all popular enough that it doesn't really matter.
More to the point, it doesn't really matter, period. You're not going to win because you get somebody into a line they're "less familiar" with. You're going to win because you can create tactical or positional complications which they can't solve.
Trying to out-prepare your opponents at the club level is a fool's errand. Worry about it when you get up around expert strength.
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06-23-2009, 04:45 AM
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Originally Posted by Fromper
Most club players who play the Sicilian have a pet line of the Open Sicilian that they're looking to play. Otherwise, they wouldn't play the Sicilian. Going with an anti-Sicilian both cuts down on the Open lines you need to learn and gets them out of their preferred line.
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Thanks!
Personally, I'll probably stick with the Closed Sicilian or the Sicilian Alapin.
However, just from a general and practical standpoint, is there any particular reason to avoid playing the Open Sicilian? I know that there are many Sicilians, but there are just 5 main ones (Najdorf, Dragon, Classical, Scheveningen, and Sveshnikov), and each of those five can be countered by a White attack (English, Yugoslav, Richter-Rauzer, Keres, and Main Line, in that order). So, hypothetically White can just memorize the lines and ideas for each of the 5 attacks, right?
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06-23-2009, 04:48 AM
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Note: my last post was a general observation.
Of course, I don't plan on playing the Open Sicilian anytime soon because I want to focus more on tactics and don't want to be sidetracked.
But, I might want to play the Open Sicilian in the distant future, and I am just wondering why most people would rather play an anti-Sicilian that supposedly allows Black to equalize easily.
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06-23-2009, 05:27 PM
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Originally Posted by gundamz
Note: my last post was a general observation.
Of course, I don't plan on playing the Open Sicilian anytime soon because I want to focus more on tactics and don't want to be sidetracked.
But, I might want to play the Open Sicilian in the distant future, and I am just wondering why most people would rather play an anti-Sicilian that supposedly allows Black to equalize easily.
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Because they don't allow black to equalize easily. Definitely not at the level we're talking about.
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- Ruy Lopez: Modern Steinitz variation
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06-23-2009, 07:12 PM
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Originally Posted by gundamz
Thanks!
Personally, I'll probably stick with the Closed Sicilian or the Sicilian Alapin.
However, just from a general and practical standpoint, is there any particular reason to avoid playing the Open Sicilian? I know that there are many Sicilians, but there are just 5 main ones (Najdorf, Dragon, Classical, Scheveningen, and Sveshnikov), and each of those five can be countered by a White attack (English, Yugoslav, Richter-Rauzer, Keres, and Main Line, in that order). So, hypothetically White can just memorize the lines and ideas for each of the 5 attacks, right?
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Hypothetically, I suppose, but the problem is that black has tons and tons of options and ways to avoid your book. For example, black can play the Accelerated Dragon to sidestep the Yugoslav. I also see you didn't even mention the Kan, which is a pretty common one. There's also the Kalashinikov, which is also fairly common. Do you know of the 2 Knight's Sicilian as well? Black doesn't necessarily have to go into the Svesnikov.
One other important thing is that these main, popular lines are going to be specialties of your opponent. I can say for sure that as a Dragon player I do the most work in the Yugoslav, so I'm going to be very prepared if someone plays it against me. You may have a rough understanding of how to play the Yugoslav and where to put the pieces, but someone that has been playing it for years will recognize the small subtle differences between positions and know tactical ideas to look for. With best play, it may be the best way to get an edge, but if you make inaccuracies, black will be ready to punish you for them.
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06-23-2009, 07:17 PM
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I also wanted to add that the reputation of the English Attack is slipping, at least in its purest form (castling long). Anymore, it seems the best way to use the English attack is to trade queens and try to create a queenside majority.
For the sharpest play the 6 Bg5, 7 f4 line seems to be taking center stage.
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06-24-2009, 04:47 AM
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Originally Posted by Abba
Hypothetically, I suppose, but the problem is that black has tons and tons of options and ways to avoid your book. For example, black can play the Accelerated Dragon to sidestep the Yugoslav. I also see you didn't even mention the Kan, which is a pretty common one. There's also the Kalashinikov, which is also fairly common. Do you know of the 2 Knight's Sicilian as well? Black doesn't necessarily have to go into the Svesnikov.
One other important thing is that these main, popular lines are going to be specialties of your opponent. I can say for sure that as a Dragon player I do the most work in the Yugoslav, so I'm going to be very prepared if someone plays it against me. You may have a rough understanding of how to play the Yugoslav and where to put the pieces, but someone that has been playing it for years will recognize the small subtle differences between positions and know tactical ideas to look for. With best play, it may be the best way to get an edge, but if you make inaccuracies, black will be ready to punish you for them.
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Thanks for your reply. I have heard of the other Sicilians (other than the main 5 I mentioned earlier), but they are not used very often at the chess clubs (both OTB and online) that I frequent and some can be dealt with through the Maroczy Bind.
By Two-Knights Sicilian, do you mean the Sicilian Classical where Black has both Knights developed by move 5? If that's it, then I think the Richter Rauzer Attack is the main counter to it.
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06-24-2009, 04:50 AM
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Originally Posted by Abba
I also wanted to add that the reputation of the English Attack is slipping, at least in its purest form (castling long). Anymore, it seems the best way to use the English attack is to trade queens and try to create a queenside majority.
For the sharpest play the 6 Bg5, 7 f4 line seems to be taking center stage.
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Personally, I like Karpov's 6 Be2 against the Sicilian Najdorf. I don't play 6 Be2, but I have seen others play it and the resulting positions are not as crazy looking as those in some of the other variations.
The line you mentioned has a good reputation, but it leads to highly theoretical positions that even GMs are still exploring.
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