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07-22-2008, 04:56 AM
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But if the Colle player does switch to a different opening, he isn't playing against the Colle anymore.
I have to agree about the Colle player switching to a different opening. I've learned to do this and I wouldn't consider myself even a decent Colle player yet. With the popularity of Summerscales' book I do think KID players are going to run into the Barry alot more often.
One thing a Colle player can do to buy an extra move (pushing off e3) is to play an early bNd2. It is a trick I saw in Oleinikov's CD. He suggests it against the KID followed by e4, looking to put pressure on the f6. I've also seen it suggested to follow 1.d4 Nf6 with 2. bNd2. It has something to do with making an adjustment when black plays 2.d6 or 2.g6 with 3.e4.
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07-22-2008, 06:18 PM
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Originally Posted by Eladar
But if the Colle player does switch to a different opening, he isn't playing against the Colle anymore.
I have to agree about the Colle player switching to a different opening. I've learned to do this and I wouldn't consider myself even a decent Colle player yet. With the popularity of Summerscales' book I do think KID players are going to run into the Barry alot more often.
One thing a Colle player can do to buy an extra move (pushing off e3) is to play an early bNd2. It is a trick I saw in Oleinikov's CD. He suggests it against the KID followed by e4, looking to put pressure on the f6. I've also seen it suggested to follow 1.d4 Nf6 with 2. bNd2. It has something to do with making an adjustment when black plays 2.d6 or 2.g6 with 3.e4.
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Unfortunately, playing that early Nbd2 has some ramifications that I'm afraid people are not aware of.
For example:
1. Now you cannot transpose into the Barry or 150 attack in case Black switches into a Pirc/Modern/Gruenfeld/KID [since those call for the Knight to be on c3]
2. Playing the Knight there makes you prone to the following unfortunate line in the mainline:
1.d4 Nf6 2.Nbd2 d5 3.Nf3 e6 4.e3 c5 5.b3 Nc6 6.Bd3 Bd6 7. 0-0 0-0 8.Bb2 cxd4 9.exd4 Bf4!?
This last move was Matthew Sadler's idea, and he played it in 1991 against Summerscale himself [note, actually he played it after 2 more moves from both sides...but the point is the same]. Whether or not this is theoretically good for Black, I can guarantee that seeing ANY piece on f4 is not what White wants!!
It wasn't until this last year that the antidote to this line was discussed in detail, but it requires keeping the Q-Knight in his stable for a while.
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07-22-2008, 09:58 PM
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The early Nd2 was based a traditional Colle set up, not the Zukertort. True, it would make the Barry unplayable, but you could still play the London which is still very good against the KID.
Having said that, I am very interested in the Barry*. I've had success using it against the KID (all fianchettoed castled kingsides register as the KID to me) and don't really like using the early Nd2 because I prefer keeping my pawn triangle. I just brought it up as another option.
*If I can ever get my Foxy DVD to play more than a half hour of it, I'll learn even more!
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07-22-2008, 10:35 PM
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Good news, then...rumor has it that there are not 1, but TWO good books coming out soon on those openings [Barry and 150]
-David
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07-23-2008, 12:08 AM
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Firstly,If anyone finds any "useful" games by black ,put it
Secondly, I found that Svilder played several colle games
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07-30-2008, 06:01 PM
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I've found my material and worked to get it in a comprehensible format for everyone. Three ways to get at the Colle system, on occasion I still transpose into what is informally named the all-purpose defense, but otherwise I don't see it much as I don't have a habit of playing into early d5 lines with black against d-pawn openings mostly.
Here I have for you the all-purpose defense, the counter in the center with e5 and a simple solution that'll work too. Keep in mind the first game is a black loss that I nontheless find instructive.
“The All-Purpose Defense (1)”
1. d4 Nf6 2. Nf3 d5 3. e3 c5 4. c3 e6
{A bit stody, but it’s solid}
5. Bd3 Bd6
{Black should look to play e5 constantly, this furthers that effort}
6. Nbd2 Nbd7
{Nbd2 to get in e4 for white, the bishop on c1 is hemmed in, this isn’t so much of a problem since it will come out later. For black, Nbd7 is a little passive, I would recommend Nc6 instead, but this line is fine as well.}
7. O-O O-O 8. Re1 Re8
{White’s moves are extremely easy to find, this is what people like about the Colle. Time for white’s thematic move.}
9. e4 exd5
{Black had to do something because e5 was threatened which would push black ‘off the board’.}
10. Nxe4 Nxe4 11. Bxe4 cxd4
{Looking to leave white with an isolated pawn and play Nf6 which is why the knight went to d7. Maybe not such a good idea! Black’s kingside has no defenders. This may be sound or not for white, what is beyond question is that black has a tough time defending.}
12. Bxh7+ Kxh7 13. Ng5+ Kg6
{13. … Kg8 would have been fatal immediately}
14. h4 Rh8
{Contesting white on the h-file. White follows with a sacrifice to get at the king but black won’t take it.}
15. Rxe6 Nf6 16. h5+ Kh6 17. Rxd6 Qa5
{17. Rxd6 is hotly debated, but black doesn’t take it.}
18. Nxf7+ Kh7 19. Ng5+ Kg8 20. Qb3+ {Game over. Black maybe has to try and play e5 in one shot.}
“Countering with e5 (1)”
1. d4 Nf6 2. Nf3 d5 3. e3 c5 4. c3 Nbd7
{Black is not going to play e6, he protects the c-pawn in case white takes it.}
5. Nbd2 g6
{This move is very effective against the Colle system. The white bishop is going to d3, this takes away squares on that diagonal. White really cannot castle long so black has little to worry about attacks with the white h-pawn.
6. Bd3 Bg7 7. O-O O-O
{Colle against Vidmar continued e4, which maybe wasn’t such a great idea.}
8. e4 dxe4 9. Nxe4 cxd4
{Colle takes back with the knight to avoid the isolated pawn and black hits the bishop while putting his knight on a good square.}
10. Nxd4 Ne5 11. Nxf6 Bxf6 12. Be2 Bd7
{White now hits the b-pawn, which is easily defended}
13. Qb3 Qc8 14. Bh6 Rd8 15. Bf4 Nc6 16. Nxc6 Bxc6 17. Bc4 Qg4
{Black has countered properly in the center, exchanged some pieces while staying on par in development. The threat on f7 looked terrible, but black hasn’t made any mistakes, ignores the threat and goes ahead with his own play.}
18. Bxf7+ Kg7
{Both white bishops are hanging, the f4-bishop because it’s loose, the f7-bishop because it’s protected by the queen only, which gives black opportunities to overload the heavier piece.}
19. Bg3 Rd2 20. Re1 Rad8
{Black has definite compensation. Black has the d-file, good maneuverability for his bishops and queen whereas white’s queen is babysitting the f7-bishop. White follows with a move to try and solve everything, losing more tempo.}
21. Be6 Qg5 22. Bh3 Bb5
{White has a problem here. White counters with his own threat.}
23. Bf4 Qxf4 24. Qxb5 Qc7 25. Bg4 R8d5
{Black gets a nice positional advantage out of chasing the queen.}
26. Qb4 a5 27. Qa3 Rb5
{Threatening to take the b-pawn and double on the 7th which is great for black.}
28. b3 Rc5
{Not only attacking the pawn on c3 but also making life harder for the queen by taking away squares. Also, the idea of Rxe2+ is deprived of some of its potency. White has to play c4 to defend.}
29. c4 Bb2
{Isn’t that cute? The queen is getting mated, moving one square at a time as a king would.}
30. Qa4 b5 31. cxb5 Rd4 32. b6 Rxa4 33. bxc7 Rxg4
{An easily won endgame for black.}
“Countering with e5 (2)”
1. d4 Nf6 2. Nf3 d5 3. e3 Nbd7 4. Bd3 c5 5. c3 g6 6. O-O Bg7
{Many roads lead to Rome.}
7. Nbd2 O-O 8. Re1 Qc7 9. e4 dxe4
{You could possibly play 9. … e5 rightaway, but it’s not necessarily a good idea. 9. … dxe4 is simpler.}
10. Nxe4 cxd4
{This is a very safe path.}
11. Nxd4 Nxe4 12. Bxe4 Nf6 13. Bc2 e5
{Black has a good game.}
“Countering with e5 (3)”
1. d4 Nf6 2. Nf3 d5 3. e3 Nbd7 4. Bd3 c5 5. c3 g6 6. O-O Bg7 7. Nbd2 O-O 8. Re1 Qc7 9. e4 dxe4 10. Nxe4 e5
{This is a little more enterprising.}
11. dxe5 Ng4
{If 11. d5 you exchage the knights on e4 and you’re okay. Black comes up with a Budapest’ish move.}
12. Bf4 Ngxe5 13. Qe2 Re8 14. c4 Nxf3+ 15. Qxf3
{Time to play chess, black’s fine.}
“Countering with e5 (4)”
1. d4 Nf6 2. Nf3 d5 3. e3 Nbd7 4. Bd3 c5 5. c3 g6 6. O-O Bg7 7. Nbd2 O-O 8. Re1 Qc7 9. b4 b6 10. bxc5 bxc5 11. Qa4
{Black, again, hasn’t made any mistakes. Why should this lead to an advantage for white? Black should play e5 or Re8 first and then e5.}
“The All-Purpose Defense (2)”
1. d4 Nf6 2. Nf3 d5 3. e3 e6 4. Bd3 c5 5. c3 Bd6 6. O-O Qc7 7. Nbd2 Nf6
{This is a little more active in light of later exchanges. }
8. dxc5 Bxc5 9. e4 O-O
{Black doesn’t have to exchange here. White doesn’t want to exchange on d5, can’t play e5 since that square is defended. Both sides maneuver pieces to hit the e5 square.}
10. Qe2 Bd6 11. Re1 Ng4
{Here comes that Ng4 idea again. Black contests the central squares.}
12. h3 Ne5 13. Nxe5 Nxe5
{White wants to deal with the pawn first.}
14. exd5 Nxd3 15. Qxd3 Rd8
{Go for development! The rook opposite the queen is never to be underestimated. The exd5 is threatened because white cannot recapture with the queen as Bh2+ would be the end of the game.}
16. Nf3 Be7 17. c4 exd5 18. cxd5 Be6
{The pawn is pinned.}
19. Qe4 Rxd5 20. Nd4 Qc4 21. Nf5 Qxe4 22. Nxe7+ Kf8 23. Rxe4 Kxe7
{Equal.}
“Something simple”
1. d4 Nf6 2. Nf3 d5 3. e3 Bf5
{This is Alekhine against Euwe in ’35, 3. … Bf5, a simple idea. You have to be prepared for 4. c4 if white doesn’t go into the Colle. Euwe would have likely played c6 entering the Slav.}
4. Bd3 e6
{Rather than exchanging or going back to g6. The pawns aren’t very nice and the f5-pawn may be difficult to defend, but the e4 idea is off.}
5. Bxf5 exf5 6. Qd3 Qc8
{Qxf5 and Qb5+ were threatened.}
7. b3 Na6
{A very interesting idea on Euwe’s part. Intending Nc7 creating a very solid position it can’t be taken because the bishop is gone.}
8. O-O Be7 9. c4 O-O
{If 10. cxd5 then Nb4 and black can recapture getting a nice square there.}
10. Nc3 c6 11. Bb2 Ne4
{Difficult to deal with the knight there. White has to create play on the queenside.}
12. Rfc1 Rd8
{White opposed the queen and black does the same, though there is stuff in the way, that can change quickly.}
13. Qe2 Qe6 14. a3 Nc7
{A balanced position.}
15. c5 Re8
{The rook is no longer needed on d8 and moves to a better square.}
16. b4 f4
{Aggressive on black’s part.}
17. exf4 Nxc3 18. Qxe6 Nxe6 19. Rxc3 Nxf4
{Black has a good game.}
20. Rb3 a6
{Stopping b5.}
21. g3 Ne6 22. a4 Bf6
{Hitting e4.}
23. Rd1 Nc7 24. Kf1 Re4 25. Bc1 Rae8 26. Bf4 Ne6 27. Be3
{The game was drawn later by repetition as it wasn’t 30 moves yet.}
Alright, that's it for the Colle! 
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White:
- Ruy Lopez
- Sicilian Defense: Chekhover variation, Rossolimo variation, Delayed Alapin variation
- French Defense: Bogo-Winawer variation, Classical variation 3. Nc3 Nf6 4. Bg5 Be7 5. e5 Nfd7 6. Bxe7
- Pirc Defense: Byrne variation
Black:
- Ruy Lopez: Modern Steinitz variation
- Two Knights Defense: Fritz variation, Ulvestadt variation
- King's Gambit: Falkbeer Countergambit: Nimzowitsch variation
- Indian Defense: Nimzo-Indian Defense, Queen's Indian Defense
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