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12-11-2008, 01:42 AM
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Originally Posted by JacksonWShowalter
Chess is like anything else you are trying to learn. Say a language. You learn words and sentence structure(opening moves and patterns) but you still have to practice speaking (playing) it. Along the way you’ll mispronounce words, use the wrong words, get them in the wrong order, not recognize slang, leave out words and speak in incomplete sentences. It takes a while to become proficient. It took me 3 years to learn English.
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Heck, I've been learning English for 16 years, and I still don't get everything right (and it's the only language I know).
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Memorization does not get you anywhere. If your opponent does not play your opening, you will not know what to do. Also, at the end of your supposed 'memorized lines', you will not know what the correct moves are afterwards, and you will be lost in the forest of the middlegame.
Originally Posted by invictious
Speaking of the Dragon, every time I try to play it (I love BARBARIC GAMES! Especially the ones with hammers and cannons), the opponent always somehow transposes it into something more quiet and civil. Such boring people...
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Case in point. You opponent is trying to get you out of your book opening and into unfamiliar territory.
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12-23-2008, 12:45 PM
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Originally Posted by Octal
Does anyone have any tips on how I should memorize opening lines? I hate having to keep replaying same positions 7 or 8 times a weekly to learn one line. Does anyone have any tips on how I can remember these lines easier?
Thanks,
Octal.
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The answer is to learn how to make good moves. . . Fortunately, this is easily taught.
Read The Search for Chess Perfection II by Purdy, then How to Reassess your Chess by Silman and finally Excelling at Chess by Aagaard
These should be read in the order shown.
While not a strong player, I always get a good opening position by simply applying a dozen rules. True, I frequently get lost in the middlegame but I am slowly improving.
Now find an opening that you might be comfortable with and apply the rules they teach.
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12-23-2008, 03:41 PM
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Trying to memorize openings will generally get you into trouble as a beginner for many of the reasons already stated.
Your time would be far better spent studying the main opening principles: - Control the center of the board
Only move each piece once
Develop the center pawns then knights and then your bishops
Castle as soon as possible
Don't get tempted into any early confrontations, unless they are out and out errors on the part of your opponent.
Also, try to ensure that no piece you move in the opening is unprotected (with the exception of the first 2-3 moves).
Then spend your study time on the Endgame, learn the classic endgames, so that when you get to this point you'll know what to do without thinking. This way you will win far more games against other beginners that have not.
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12-24-2008, 06:58 AM
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Keep in mind your opponent's options
One thing I don't think anyone here has said, and I think it is very important, is that understanding an opening largely comes down to two things:
i) Understanding the basic ideas behind the opening you are learning
ii) Understanding move order nuances.
For this second part, it's extremely helpful to keep in mind what your opponent is threatening and what he isn't to figure out which move order is best.
Assuming you already know the basic ideas behind your opening, you should be able to enumerate what basic tactics your opponent can use to throw a spanner in your plans. Basically, figure out what things you want to avoid and you can generally determine the right move order by looking at what your opponent's move order has allowed him to do and what it hasn't.
An example where I have done this for the very beginning of the Colle-Zukertort can be found HERE.
I would recommend buying any of Matthew Sadler's books [The Slav, the semi-slav, or the QGD] and just read through it to get a feel for the appreciation of move order. He is an excellent author in general and understands the importance of move order.
-David
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12-27-2008, 03:09 PM
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Years ago I had an amusing incident against an opponent rated mid-1600’s. I was White in a Najdorf Sicilian and it took me about 90 min. to play 21 moves whereas my opponent used less than 10. After my 22nd move he thought for about 20 minutes then played a move so bad he resigned 3 moves later.
In the PM I was truly amazed at his knowledge of the “book” moves. When we got to my 22nd move, the conversation went something like this:
Him: “That was a really bad move.”
Me: “Why?”
Him: “It’s not what Fischer played.”
Me: “But why was it so bad?”
Him: “It’s not what Fischer played, so it has to be bad.”
Me: “But if it was that bad, why did you have to resign 3 moves later?”
Him: “I (expletive deleted) up.”
I think there’s a moral in there somewhere.
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12-27-2008, 04:37 PM
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That's a pretty common situation with players who rely on memorization: the moment they're thrown on their own devices, they fail miserably.
As I've said before, and I'm sure I'll say again: it matters for more that you know what to do when you run out of preparation than it matters when you run out of preparation.
Those guys only win games when their opponents make the same mistake, or when an unprepared opponent falls into a trap.
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12-28-2008, 01:41 AM
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Originally Posted by JacksonWShowalter
Years ago I had an amusing incident against an opponent rated mid-1600’s. I was White in a Najdorf Sicilian and it took me about 90 min. to play 21 moves whereas my opponent used less than 10. After my 22nd move he thought for about 20 minutes then played a move so bad he resigned 3 moves later.
In the PM I was truly amazed at his knowledge of the “book” moves. When we got to my 22nd move, the conversation went something like this:
Him: “That was a really bad move.”
Me: “Why?”
Him: “It’s not what Fischer played.”
Me: “But why was it so bad?”
Him: “It’s not what Fischer played, so it has to be bad.”
Me: “But if it was that bad, why did you have to resign 3 moves later?”
Him: “I (expletive deleted) up.”
I think there’s a moral in there somewhere.
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So basically if a GM didn't play the move then its not a good move. 
There is a rumour that Anand once bought a book written by a fellow GM. In the book the GM recommended a certain move after a relatively uncommon variation in order to establish equality. Anand had never studied the position and simply trusted the author of this book. So he played the move against Shirov. Shirov looked at the move, thought for a few moments, and won a piece by force - with the game as well.
Anand was then unsure if he had recalled the move correctly, looked at the book again. He then called the author to inform him of the 'equality' error, and to ask for compensation from the author.
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01-01-2009, 06:41 PM
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Originally Posted by Arrogant-One
I agree that learning opening lines is not particularly useful. Had a friend who used to do it and he almost always got frustrated because players wouldn't play into the opening lines he had spent ages studying.
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This is why as a beginner I have given up on openings. At this point, I am able to recognize the general ones like Siclian, Caro Kahn, French and Alekhine. However, that doesn't do me any good. Maybe when I become more proficient at the game openings will help. Development seems to be the key at this point.
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01-03-2009, 10:57 AM
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Originally Posted by Ifiwereu
This is why as a beginner I have given up on openings. At this point, I am able to recognize the general ones like Siclian, Caro Kahn, French and Alekhine. However, that doesn't do me any good. Maybe when I become more proficient at the game openings will help. Development seems to be the key at this point.
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People say don't develop for the sake of development alone. I say humbug to that! For beginners its the only thing that matters.
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01-03-2009, 05:23 PM
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Originally Posted by JacksonWShowalter
Years ago I had an amusing incident against an opponent rated mid-1600’s. I was White in a Najdorf Sicilian and it took me about 90 min. to play 21 moves whereas my opponent used less than 10. After my 22nd move he thought for about 20 minutes then played a move so bad he resigned 3 moves later.
In the PM I was truly amazed at his knowledge of the “book” moves. When we got to my 22nd move, the conversation went something like this:
Him: “That was a really bad move.”
Me: “Why?”
Him: “It’s not what Fischer played.”
Me: “But why was it so bad?”
Him: “It’s not what Fischer played, so it has to be bad.”
Me: “But if it was that bad, why did you have to resign 3 moves later?”
Him: “I (expletive deleted) up.”
I think there’s a moral in there somewhere.
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LOL, Jackson, you are 100% correct. On the chess site I work for, there are some mid-level players that will POUND out a complicated opening in seconds, and then literally two moves into where they have to think, pieces start dropping.
The trick to this is to learn the IDEAS of the opening, not necessarily every line; leave that to the GMs who make a living at it. Every opening has a different flavor, and differnet probable endgame setups. Knowing what the themes are and what kind of endgame you are comfortable with can help greatly.
Also, while it is nice to learn a few traps and zaps inherent to the opening you love, it isn't really necessary to advance in rating or skill level. Play solid, do not play for tricks unless you KNOW they work, and let your opponent attack you while you happily defend down to a won endgame.
No piece of advice is going to work for everyone, I'm simply relaying what worked for me! Also, video lectures on openings really accelerated my play. Chesslecture.com, chessbase lectures, etc. I even wrote an article on them, if ya want to check it out!
Chess Video Lectures: Are They for You? - Associated Content
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