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09-04-2007, 08:04 PM
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Best 1. e4 defense for beginners?
I'm new but I'm sure most of you know that. I just wanted to ask what the best 1. e4 defense is for beginners and why it's best for beginners to use.
I've already deducted that anything hypermodern like the Pirc and the Modern are definitely not for beginners. I've also concluded that the French Defense is really boring and that Alekhine's Defense is too complex for beginners like the Pirc and Modern. The Caro-Kann probably won't dive into tactics which is what beginners need to practice. The Scandinavian Defense involves moving your queen out early which was one of the first things I was told not to do.
So, that leaves the Sicilian and the Double King's Pawn. The Sicilian has mountains of theory but can get into tactics as well as the Double King's Pawn. Both actually have mountains of theory to them, so I'm not sure which of the two is better for beginners to use. I'm guessing it's either the Sicilian or Double King's Pawn then.
Thanks.
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09-04-2007, 09:01 PM
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I'd stick to e5 for now. There is some theory involved in some of the openings that come up, but it's easier stuff to understand and improvise than in the Sicilian. When you play the Sicilian, you have to know what you're doing. When you play e5, it's easier to get away with making it up as you go along. You'll want to compare your games to established theory afterwards to learn as you go, but it's not that hard to learn the basics in most of the openings that arise from a double king's pawn formation.
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09-04-2007, 11:33 PM
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Tell them to, make the best move on the board (the one that makes the most sence to them), if that is the Pirc (a hypermodern opening), then so be it, if that is the Sicilian or double King Pawn, that is also fine, just as long as its an opening, that they can learn and attach the basic principles to (remember chess is a thinking game) and style should not be confused with other things. It is alright for them to experiment with openings! (that is part of learning them) Also, after they have learned a reasonable line (simplify it for them, and study end-games first) -- this may sound a little wierd or ackward, but it will teach them alot. And then do, complete game anaylsis, including middle game tactics..... just teach them whatever they seem to question, any improvement is good, and we all have our weaknesses, whether it be this phase, or that phase of the game. The key thing to remember is -- give them an opening book, and learn MCO-13 (Modern Chess Openings 13th edition) as a refrence, not as a favorite memorized opening, and given that I hope they will greatly improve and learn fast.
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09-05-2007, 12:47 AM
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This is how I generally break down openings:
1. ... e5 - Double King Pawn
1. ... c5 - Sicilian
1. ... e6 - French
1. ... d6 - Pirc
1. ... c6 - Caro-Kann
1. ... Nf6 - Alekhine
1. ... Nc6 - Nimzowitsch
1. ... d5 - Scandinavian
1. ... b6 - Queen's Fianchetto
I wouldn't recommend the Sicilian for beginners. That is because frankly, I'm definitely not a beginner anymore and I still don't understand the Sicilian enough to play it properly.
The Double King Pawn openings work fine, 1. ... e5 is equally just as good as the Sicilian, albeit different. I didn't play this when I started playing, but I would recommend it to anyone.
The French is the next best thing. I don't think it's technically as good as the above, but highly playable. Wouldn't recommend it to beginners because of its inherent passivity.
The Pirc is a little less committal. Hypermodern by nature with some more classical themes. A good option for beginners, but be warned, you are going to be calculating a lot.
The Caro-Kann is a relatively easy defense to learn. It's somewhat slower than the French and hardly less passive. I wouldn't recommend it to beginners.
The Alekhine is what I started with. Hypermodern and different. A good defense, but it definitely takes time to get a taste for. I would be hesitant to recommend it to beginners.
As for the other defenses, I wouldn't recommend them to anyone.
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White:
- Ruy Lopez
- Sicilian Defense: Chekhover variation, Rossolimo variation, 2. ... e6 3. d4
- French Defense: Bogo-Winawer variation, Alekhine-Chatard attack
- Pirc Defense: Byrne variation
Black:
- Ruy Lopez: Modern Steinitz variation
- Two Knights Defense: Fritz variation, Ulvestadt variation
- King's Gambit: Falkbeer Countergambit: Nimzowitsch variation
- Tarrasch Defense
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09-05-2007, 01:23 AM
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It tries to study the Petroff, involves tactics, but the Siciliana is not so complex how much.
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09-05-2007, 09:46 AM
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I think both of you must watch a chess tournament video at 1001 Checkmate Styles
Caution : the video shows you how fast two opponents play the chess game!
Last edited by Funiatra; 09-11-2007 at 02:52 AM..
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09-05-2007, 11:51 AM
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Yeah ... What those guys said
Hey,
I also recommend e5. You'l be learning tactics, tactics, tactics with that opening, which is what you likely need now. I'm no begginer either, but just coming back to chess after a long chess rest!
I'm looking at Pirc and Alekhine stuff and getting my pants beat! But it'll take me awhile to learn the positions.
Good Luck!
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09-06-2007, 10:24 PM
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Thanks to everyone for their replies.
Apparently we have three different opinions here. One is saying DKP, another is saying DKP and the Pirc are good (although I used the Pirc in five games against friends and went 1 win, 2 losses, 2 draws), and the other opinion is to use what in my opinion is the 'best'.
Basically the third opinion is that the best for beginners is what is best for them.
Is it true that it doesn't really matter what response to e4 beginners use as long as it isn't a garbage defense such as f6? Will some defenses slow the beginner's progress?
From what I see, responding to e4 with e5 is clearly the correct choice. Kasparov suggests that beginners should play 1. e4 for a year and then get into closed games, so how long should I play 1... e5 for?
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09-07-2007, 12:28 AM
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Originally Posted by NitrousPeak
Thanks to everyone for their replies.
Apparently we have three different opinions here. One is saying DKP, another is saying DKP and the Pirc are good (although I used the Pirc in five games against friends and went 1 win, 2 losses, 2 draws), and the other opinion is to use what in my opinion is the 'best'.
Basically the third opinion is that the best for beginners is what is best for them.
Is it true that it doesn't really matter what response to e4 beginners use as long as it isn't a garbage defense such as f6? Will some defenses slow the beginner's progress?
From what I see, responding to e4 with e5 is clearly the correct choice. Kasparov suggests that beginners should play 1. e4 for a year and then get into closed games, so how long should I play 1... e5 for?
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For as long as you see fit. There is a whole world of openings in there you know.
I would recommend going into (inheritantly) closed systems when you have advanced enough to recognize some of the subtleties. You can't get into strategy without mastering some tactics first.
At any rate. You haven't played chess until you have played the Ruy Lopez. It's a highly educational experience from both sides.
(I'll be honest, I've started with the King's Gambit and Alekhine defense to avoid main-lin'ish openings; but looking back I should have played the Ruy Lopez...)
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White:
- Ruy Lopez
- Sicilian Defense: Chekhover variation, Rossolimo variation, 2. ... e6 3. d4
- French Defense: Bogo-Winawer variation, Alekhine-Chatard attack
- Pirc Defense: Byrne variation
Black:
- Ruy Lopez: Modern Steinitz variation
- Two Knights Defense: Fritz variation, Ulvestadt variation
- King's Gambit: Falkbeer Countergambit: Nimzowitsch variation
- Tarrasch Defense
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09-11-2007, 02:56 AM
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Originally Posted by BrillatSavarin
Hey,
I also recommend e5. You'l be learning tactics, tactics, tactics with that opening, which is what you likely need now. I'm no begginer either, but just coming back to chess after a long chess rest!
I'm looking at Pirc and Alekhine stuff and getting my pants beat! But it'll take me awhile to learn the positions.
Good Luck!
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I think e5 is not very good one. Because you'll let your opponent moves their primary Bishop and backed up by their Knight and Pawn. This is not very good idea to make a move. Moving Castle's Pawn first, then your knight, then start with e5 and above...this will not slow down you.
as math, chess also has their formula.....so this must be test and track. Which best to you!
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