Van Geet Opening, 1. Nc3 - Page 2 - Chess Forums

Crash · 08-21-2007, 11:56 PM

Originally Posted by NitrousPeak

I play the Van Geet Opening and only the Van Geet as white for a few reasons.

1. I like to be unique.

2. For some reason I actually survive way more moves with the Van Geet against the 2000+ player who lives next door than with any other opening. (I survive 40+ with the Van Geet, but with other openings, only 20 to 30 moves.)

3. People don't usually expect the Van Geet.

4. I've read that it's better to play what you're comfortable with than what is theoretically better. I have fun with the Van Geet.

So far, I've already decided on the first few moves with the Van Geet Opening for my play. All of the first few moves for everything except for 1...d5. And I really hate 1...d5.

I've tried just about everything against it. 1. e4/Nf3/d4/and even e3. In e4, as long as the opponent recaptures the pawn, I can draw, which I've done most of the time. (Against my friends, of course, not the +2000 player who lives next door. I haven't entered any tourneys yet, but I will soon.)

When 1... d5 happens, I should pretty much lay down the King. What soon follows is 2. Ne2 c5 and then I'm pretty much cramped. Then I do Ng3.

As black against my friends, I play 1... d5 against everything except for 1. e4, which I haven't decided on yet, but I'm leaning towards the Caro-Kann or the Scandinavian (then it wouldn't be too hard to memorize my first move as black.

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Does anyone have any hints/tips for me for playing the Van Geet? Also any book/website recommendations? It would be greatly appreciated, thanks.

1.... d5 seems like the most natural move so you should get used to it if you want to play this opening.

Here is a couple of downloads for you:

Over 1000 games in the Dunst/Van Geet up to 1997:
ftp://ftp.pitt.edu/group/chess/PGN/O...s/dunst-pg.zip

Over 4000 games in the Van Geet Dunst from my twicmill database of 1.6 million mostly master games downloaded from The Week in Chess website and Schroeder's website:
RapidShare: 1-Click Webhosting

RapidShare: 1-Click Webhosting

Contains both of the above files plus the Scid report in html and text which includes an ECO style printout of the lines. It doesn't line up well on this site otherwise I would have included it.

Here is the partial SCID generated report analysing the second database:

Van Geet Dunst

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OPENING REPORT
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Database: Van Geet Dunst.pgn (4,105 games)
Report: (4105 games)
Generated by Scid 3.6, 2007.08.21

1. STATISTICS AND HISTORY
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1.1 Statistics

Games 1-0 =-= 0-1 Score
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All report games 4105 1627 1021 1457 52.0%
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1.2 Oldest games

1: 0-1(48) Tinsley - Showalter, London 1899
2: 0-1(23) Gusev - Spassky, Riga 1951
3: =-=(24) Van Geet - Stumpers, Rotterdam 1956
4: =-=(16) Van Geet - Mulder, Rotterdam 1958
5: 1-0(31) Van Geet - Miagmasuren, Varna 1958

1.3 Newest games

1: =-=(61) Bauer 2626 - Vaisser 2544, Aix-les-Bains FRA 2007.08.19 [67]
2: =-=(47) Lindbergh - Xie Jun 2573, Taby SWE 2007.08.09
3: 0-1(55) Rogmans - Roggeveen 2077, Vlissingen NED 2007.08.09
4: 0-1(41) Marder 2026 - Dlugosz 2316, Taby SWE 2007.08.07
5: 0-1(25) Brooke 1887 - Hozda 2039, Olomouc CZE 2007.08.05

1.4 Current popularity

Year 1800-99 1900-49 1950-69 1970-79 1980-89 1990-99 2000-09
Once every X games 1 1 1 1 1 1 1

Frequency in all years: once every 1 games
In the 10 years to today: once every 1 games (no change from all years)
In the 5 years to today: once every 1 games (no change from all years)
In the 1 year to today: once every 1 games (no change from all years)

1.5 Most frequent players (White)

1: 149 1977-2004 54% 2470 Mestrovic, Z [1,2,4,8,10,12,14,15,...]
2: 85 1994-2007 44% 2350 Pel, B [1,8,10,26,27,29,48,54,...]
3: 44 1984-2006 76% 2570 Hector, J [2,26,27,39,41,43,44,45,...]
4: 42 1961-2000 38% 2380 Van Geet, D [53,69,117,121]
5: 38 1994-2006 25% 2215 Spice, A [2,52,56,76,92,97,116]
6: 29 1990-2006 67% 2265 Havenaar, J [121]

1.6 Most frequent players (Black)

1: 5 1996-2006 80% 2660 Ehlvest, J [3,88]
2: 5 1991-1996 50% 2490 Lukacs, P [7,54,63]
3: 5 1974-2005 20% 2465 Gutman, L [2,82,92]
4: 4 1963-1988 50% 2620 Larsen, B [36]
5: 4 1988-2004 63% 2540 Cvitan, O [76,82,110,112]
6: 4 1988-2003 63% 2525 Dizdarevic, E [25,63,64,111]

2. RATINGS AND PERFORMANCE
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2.1 Average ratings and performance

White rating: 2244 (1330 games); White performance: 2225 (42% vs 2282)
Black rating: 2282 (1327 games); Black performance: 2251 (51% vs 2244)

2.2 Games with highest average rating

1: 0-1(44) Morozevich 2745 - Kasparov 2850, Fujitsu-Siemens Giants, Frankfurt GER 2000 [76]
2: 1-0(25) Aronian 2750 - Svidler 2765, Amber Blindfold, Monte Carlo MNC 2006 [95]
3: 0-1(56) Ivanchuk 2740 - Anand 2770, Monaco blind 1998 [16]
4: =-=(39) Morozevich 2740 - Radjabov 2725, Amber Blindfold, Monte Carlo MNC 2007 [62]
5: =-=(54) Morozevich 2705 - Polgar 2735, WCh-FIDE, San Luis ARG 2005 [101]
6: =-=(10) Morozevich 2705 - Damljanovic 2550, Olympiad, Bled SLO 2002 [121]
7: 0-1(39) Mamedyarov 2655 - Cheparinov 2570, Corus B, Wijk aan Zee NED 2005 [87]
8: =-=(59) Asrian 2605 - Sargissian 2610, 5th IECC Playoff Qualification, Antalya TUR 2004 [23]

3. RESULT TRENDS
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3.1 Result lengths and frequencies

Score Game length Frequency
1-0 =-= 0-1 1-0 =-= 0-1
Report games 52.0% 38 36 39 39.6% 24.8% 35.4%
All games 52.0% 36 35 38 39.6% 24.8% 35.4%

3.2 Shortest wins (White)

1: 1-0(1) Mazzoleni 2185 - Barrionuevo 2220, 1st Chesspangenberg Open, Buenos Aires ARG 2003
2: 1-0(1) Titze 1945 - Boden, 16th Open, Kiel GER 2003
3: 1-0(6) Van Geet - Sande, corr NBC Volmac 1982
4: 1-0(7) Havenaar 2235 - Von Saldern 2130, 27th Open, Guernsey GCI 2001
5: 1-0(7) Hector - Hoyos Millan, Malmo 1989

3.3 Shortest wins (Black)

1: 0-1(6) Mellado Trivino 2425 - Nygren 2230, II Open, Calvia ESP 2005 [76]
2: 0-1(10) Boe - Berntsen 2105, Open ch-NOR, Oslo NOR 2004
3: 0-1(12) Bakos 2230 - Vila Gazquez 2335, EYb16, Herceg Novi SCG 2005
4: 0-1(14) Krajnak - Navara, Olomouc CZE 1998 [64]
5: 0-1(14) Boersma - Devos, Antwerpen open 1998

4. MOVES AND THEMES
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4.1 Move orders reaching the report position

There was only one move order reaching this position:
1: (4105)

4.2 Moves from the report position

Move ECO Frequency Score AvElo Perf AvYear %Draws
1: Nc3 A00l 4105:100.0% 52.0% 2244 2296 1993 25%
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TOTAL: 4105:100.0% 52.0% 2244 2296 1993 25%