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06-13-2009, 01:16 PM
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Analysis Requested
This is a game that I (1323 USCF) played against a 1750. I managed to draw, yet I feel as though I was winning for pretty much the whole game. I can really only see maybe two obvious, and yet still small, mistakes, and I hope that someone will be able to tell me exactly where I went wrong. I am adding a few of my own notes to some of the moves.
1. e4 e6
2. d4 d5
3. exd5 exd5
4. Nf3 Nf6
5. Bd3
{Probably a minor error, but I wanted to stop his knight possibly coming to e4. It was last round, I wasn't really thinking clearly.}
5... Bg4
6. 0-0 Nc6
7. Bb5 Be7
8. h3 Bh5
9. g4 Bg6
{Perhaps a little too agressive, but I was gaining space, and wanted to put my knight on e5.}
10. Ne5 Qd6
11. Bf4
{Increasing pressure, here I believe I am already winning.}
11... Qb4?!
{I think this is a mistake. It brings out the queen to be attacked at no real value.}
12. Bxc6 bxc6
13. Nxc6 Qxb2
{Here I thought for about 10 minutes (in G/30 time control). I was having trouble deciding whether to try to simply press my slight positional advantage with Nd2, or to begin an attack with either Re1 or Qe2. I eventually decided for the safer route, although in hindsight Qe2 seems strong.}
14. Nd2 Qb6
15. Nxe7 Kxe7
16. Re1+ Kd7
17. Qe2
{A mistake. I was feeling comfortable, so I had begun to play without really thinking.}
17... Rae8
18. Be5 h5
19. Rab1
{Bringing my rook to the open file with a tempo.}
19... Qc6
20. g5 Ne4
21. Nxe4 Bxe4
22. Qb5! Qxb5
23. Rxb5 Bf5?
24. Rxd5+
{Perhaps Rc5 was stronger}
24... Kc8
25. Re3 f6!
26. gxf6 gxf6
27. Bxf6 Rxe3
28. fxe3 Rg8+
29. Kf2
{Kh2 defends the pawn, but locks my king out of the game.}
29...Bxh3
30. Rxh5 Rg2+
31. Kf3 Bg4+
32. Kxg2 Bxh5
33.e4
And here I am up 2 pawns, and yet the position seems a dead draw. We just shuffled our pieces around for 10 more moves, and agreed to a draw.
Overall I am reasonably happy with my performance in the game, seeing as my opponent was 500 points higher than me. But I would still like to know why I didn't win. Did I simply trade off too much material? Did I make a positional error I'm missing? Any input is appreciated.
Last edited by pianoelias; 06-14-2009 at 01:29 AM..
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06-14-2009, 08:16 PM
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1. e4 e6
2. d4 d5
3. exd5 exd5
4. Nf3 Nf6
5. Bd3 Bg4
6. 0-0 Nc6
7. Bb5 Be7
8. h3 Bh5
9. g4 Bg6
10. Ne5 Qd6
11. Bf4 Qb4?!
12. Bxc6 bxc6
13. Nxc6 Qxb2
14. Nd2 Qb6
15. Nxe7 Kxe7
16. Re1+ Kd7
17. Qe2 Rae8
18. Be5 h5
19. Rab1 Qc6
20. g5 Ne4
21. Nxe4 Bxe4
22. Qb5! Qxb5
23. Rxb5 Bf5?
24. Rxd5+ Kc8
25. Re3 f6!
26. gxf6 gxf6
27. Bxf6 Rxe3
28. fxe3 Rg8+
29. Kf2 Bxh3
30. Rxh5 Rg2+
31. Kf3 Bg4+
32. Kxg2 Bxh5
33.e4
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first give in such a format, so that easy copy paste can be done
then analyze it....
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06-14-2009, 08:20 PM
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there is something wrong i dnt knw what?
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06-16-2009, 02:37 PM
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Originally Posted by pianoelias
This is a game that I (1323 USCF) played against a 1750. I managed to draw, yet I feel as though I was winning for pretty much the whole game. I can really only see maybe two obvious, and yet still small, mistakes, and I hope that someone will be able to tell me exactly where I went wrong. I am adding a few of my own notes to some of the moves.
1. e4 e6
2. d4 d5
3. exd5 exd5
4. Nf3 Nf6
5. Bd3
{Probably a minor error, but I wanted to stop his knight possibly coming to e4. It was last round, I wasn't really thinking clearly.}
5... Bg4
6. 0-0 Nc6
7. Bb5 Be7
8. h3 Bh5
9. g4 Bg6
{Perhaps a little too agressive, but I was gaining space, and wanted to put my knight on e5.}
10. Ne5 Qd6
11. Bf4
{Increasing pressure, here I believe I am already winning.}
11... Qb4?!
{I think this is a mistake. It brings out the queen to be attacked at no real value.}
12. Bxc6 bxc6
13. Nxc6 Qxb2
{Here I thought for about 10 minutes (in G/30 time control). I was having trouble deciding whether to try to simply press my slight positional advantage with Nd2, or to begin an attack with either Re1 or Qe2. I eventually decided for the safer route, although in hindsight Qe2 seems strong.}
14. Nd2 Qb6
15. Nxe7 Kxe7
16. Re1+ Kd7
17. Qe2
{A mistake. I was feeling comfortable, so I had begun to play without really thinking.}
17... Rae8
18. Be5 h5
19. Rab1
{Bringing my rook to the open file with a tempo.}
19... Qc6
20. g5 Ne4
21. Nxe4 Bxe4
22. Qb5! Qxb5
23. Rxb5 Bf5?
24. Rxd5+
{Perhaps Rc5 was stronger}
24... Kc8
25. Re3 f6!
26. gxf6 gxf6
27. Bxf6 Rxe3
28. fxe3 Rg8+
29. Kf2
{Kh2 defends the pawn, but locks my king out of the game.}
29...Bxh3
30. Rxh5 Rg2+
31. Kf3 Bg4+
32. Kxg2 Bxh5
33.e4
And here I am up 2 pawns, and yet the position seems a dead draw. We just shuffled our pieces around for 10 more moves, and agreed to a draw.
Overall I am reasonably happy with my performance in the game, seeing as my opponent was 500 points higher than me. But I would still like to know why I didn't win. Did I simply trade off too much material? Did I make a positional error I'm missing? Any input is appreciated.
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29.Kh2 while tame may have been better. How much time did you have left when you agreed on the draw?
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06-16-2009, 03:28 PM
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Originally Posted by ketchuplover
How much time did you have left when you agreed on the draw?
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I had 36 seconds and my opponent had 43. I forgot to mention there was 5 second delay.
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06-23-2009, 02:06 AM
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an attempt at analysis
Originally Posted by pianoelias
This is a game that I (1323 USCF) played against a 1750. I managed to draw, yet I feel as though I was winning for pretty much the whole game. I can really only see maybe two obvious, and yet still small, mistakes, and I hope that someone will be able to tell me exactly where I went wrong. I am adding a few of my own notes to some of the moves.
Overall I am reasonably happy with my performance in the game, seeing as my opponent was 500 points higher than me. But I would still like to know why I didn't win. Did I simply trade off too much material? Did I make a positional error I'm missing? Any input is appreciated.
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hi pianoelias, last night i looked at your game and attempted to analyse it...though i have to warn you, i am unrated yet, but i think my comments are pretty reasonable enough. maybe my analysis is correct or wrong, either way it is how i understand chess:
1. e4 e6
2. d4 d5
3. exd5 exd5 (the exchange variation of the french defence has a reputation of being dull, drawish, etc., but still GM Korchnoi has for many times disputed this claim with fine wins using the black (ouch) side of this variation. i still prefer to keep the tension with Nd2 or e5)
4. Nf3 Nf6
5. Bd3
{Probably a minor error, but I wanted to stop his knight possibly coming to e4. It was last round, I wasn't really thinking clearly.} (no, developing the bishop on the b1-h7 diagonal is the recommended method here, first to gain control of the diagonal and to defend the e4 square, which is black's primary stronghold here, should he be able to contest the e-file.the position you get here is similar to a variation of the petroff's, and their handling should be quite similar.)
5... Bg4
6. 0-0 Nc6 (this is provocative, and yet you took your opponent's word! of course the e5 square is an ideal outpost for white, yet i believe 7Re1 secures that (with tempo!) and seizes control of the e-file first.the bishop could have better stayed on the diagonal. a sample variation: 7.Re1 Be7 8.c3 with the idea of Nbd2, Nf1, h3 and Ng3 to follow-yes, just like in the ruy lopez and petroff! to continue: 8...0-0 9.Nbd2 Re8 10.Nf1 Bf8 11.Rxe8 Qxe8 12.Bf4 Qd7 13.h3 Bxf3 (if Bh5 14.Ng3 Bg6 15.Ne5 with an edge, i think) 14.Qxf3 with advantage to white)
7. Bb5 Be7
8. h3 Bh5
9. g4 Bg6
{Perhaps a little too agressive, but I was gaining space, and wanted to put my knight on e5.} (yes, maybe a little too "hot" but its downside may not be obvious yet until you decided to go to an ending later in the game, where your kingside was fraught with weaknesses.still, this could have been tolerated if you had in mind a plan to attack the king stranded in the centre)
10. Ne5 Qd6
11. Bf4
{Increasing pressure, here I believe I am already winning.} (yes you are!but i think you felt nervous at this stage...you know, they call this stage the critical moment, when you really have to spend time thinking about pushing your advantage.i felt that way too many times, and lost precious points because i was indecisive then.)
11... Qb4?!
{I think this is a mistake. It brings out the queen to be attacked at no real value.}
12. Bxc6 bxc6
13. Nxc6 Qxb2
{Here I thought for about 10 minutes (in G/30 time control). I was having trouble deciding whether to try to simply press my slight positional advantage with Nd2, or to begin an attack with either Re1 or Qe2. I eventually decided for the safer route, although in hindsight Qe2 seems strong.} (11...Qb4 is a mistake, yet it still confused you, and i think that is the aim of this move. you failed to take advantage of his carelessness, just look at the position: Black's king is in the centre, his pieces are hanging, you are better developed, and what does this call for?attack! here, for example, strong was 12.Qe2! if Qxb2? 13.Nc6 wins on the spot; a sample variation:12.Qe2 Ne4/Be4 13.Nxc6!. and still on 13Nxc6 Qxb2? is a mistake because of 14.Qe2 Be4/Ne4 15.Nd2! if a. 15...Qxc2 16.Qb5; b. 15...Qa3 16.f3 Bxc2 17.Re1. you were afraid to lose your rook in exchange for his king!you had not just a slight positional advantage, it was a decisive one, had you hit on the right plan)
14. Nd2 Qb6
15. Nxe7 Kxe7
16. Re1+ Kd7
17. Qe2
{A mistake. I was feeling comfortable, so I had begun to play without really thinking.} (here, yet despite the exchanges, his king is in the centre still, and you have two files to put your rook into, and your pieces are posed for what?attack! 17.Qe2 is a mistake because it not only makes defence easier, your chances for an advantage are being reduced, as the resulting endgame position clearly indicated. here strong is 17.Nf3! idea Ne5 harassing the king, and moves like c4,Rb1, and Qa4-Rooks need open files, and the only defender of the king is the Queen, so concentrate your forces into the attack, and he can do nothing about it. your chance of an upset would have been sweet!)
17... Rae8
18. Be5 h5! (your kingside is weak!this is called active defence...or counterattack!)
19. Rab1
{Bringing my rook to the open file with a tempo.}
19... Qc6 you should have stopped here and thought a little bit...where is his weakness? again, the king! perhaps 20.Rb5 idea Rc5 hitting on c7 was better than transpose into an ending where you were potentially at a disadvantage because: his king is already in the centre, and his pawn structure is more solid, and his bishop is menacing on the a8-h1 diagonal which combined with the rook on h8 after the opening of the file, spells doom for you.)
20. g5? Ne4
21. Nxe4 Bxe4
22. Qb5!? (perhaps this is not that strong, as i said before you are not well-placed for the endgame, but his reply is still much less correct:instead of Qxb5, for example, he could have played 22...f6! and after the exchanges put his rook on the newly opened files and attack the white king-yes!he had the chance to win too!but like you maybe he was indecisive because he was almost thrown off his seat by your play(could have been!))
22...Qxb5
23. Rxb5 Bf5?
24. Rxd5+
{Perhaps Rc5 was stronger}
24... Kc8
25. Re3 f6!
26. gxf6 gxf6
27. Bxf6 Rxe3
28. fxe3 Rg8+
29. Kf2
{Kh2 defends the pawn, but locks my king out of the game.}
29...Bxh3
30. Rxh5 Rg2+
31. Kf3? (why this move? perhaps 31.Ke1! was stronger, if 31...Bg4 32.Rh8+ Kd7 33. Rg8 and Be5, Rg7+ to follow mopping up his remaining pawns) Bg4+
32. Kxg2 Bxh5
33.e4
And here I am up 2 pawns, and yet the position seems a dead draw. We just shuffled our pieces around for 10 more moves, and agreed to a draw.
i'm still amazed at the result, because you were two pawns up! maybe time panic told, but i myself would have pushed my pawns to winning! still, i congratulate you because you were able to outplay your higher-rated opponent:that is an achievement indeed. i hope this could help... 
Last edited by mifs adaro; 06-23-2009 at 02:14 AM..
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06-23-2009, 04:03 AM
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1. e4 e6
2. d4 d5
3. exd5 exd5 {Playing the Exchange French, you're entering drawish territory because of the symmetric pawn position and the fact that a lot of pieces can be traded off quite fast.}
4. Nf3 Nf6
5. Bd3
{No error, a main line in the Exchange and not a bad one.}
5... Bg4
{This on the other hand is a tiny error on black's part, Bg4 is often played, but here Bd6 is preferable.}
6. 0-0 Nc6
{A small positional error by black. Usually black wants the c-pawn able to move to c6 or even c5. Since white is going to play c3 a lot of the time, attacking d4 doesn't help much. 6. ... Be7 was better.}
7. Bb5 Be7
{7. Bb5 loses time. No need to pin the knight, black won't mind a6-Bxc6-bxc6, but continuing his development is better still. White lost his first move advantage, which would make things even if there wasn't something in the position like...}
8. h3 Bh5
9. g4 Bg6
10. Ne5 {Perhaps it's risky, it's the right idea though. Wouldn't have worked without the inaccuracies Bb5 and Bg4.}
10... Qd6
11. Bf4
{Winning? Not quite yet. Note that black has 11... Ne4! which prevents Nxg6 for a while because after 12. Nxg6 Qxg6 13. Bxc7 Rc8 black's activity makes up for the pawn. Not to mention the airy white king position. After the calm 12. Nc3 Nxc3 13. bxc3 a6 14. Nxg6 Qxg6 15. Bd3 Qf6 16. Bxc7 white has an extra pawn, which is going to be useless for a while in light of b5 coming, but more importantly, he has two bishops and somewhat faster pieceplay.}
11... Qb4?!
{Black is trying to get the queen out of the way of the bishop, Nxg6 is a really nasty threat, the problem is black can't move the queen anywhere good, since he didn't find Ne4 I'm assuming he thought he'd be okay with Qb4.}
12. Bxc6 bxc6
{An okay move, but 12. Nc3 would have been lovely as well. Which would put the question to black, what to do? White has threats all over, g5, Re1, Qf3.. But 12. Bxc6 works.}
13. Nxc6 Qxb2
{What prevented you from playing 13. Qe2? It's perfectly safe to play, black has to stop everything he's doing and prevent mate on e7. His options are things like the ridiculous Ng8, losing a piece with 0-0 and Ne4 after which you can just continue with Nd2; in this line white can play f3 kicking out the knight.. Still, Nd2 works.}
14. Nd2 Qb6
{14. ... Qc3 poking at the h3 pawn is equally bad in light of 15. Nxe7 Kxe7 16. Re1+ Kf8 17. Qf3, though if black takes that pawn, headaches continue.. 17. ... Qxd4 18. Qa3+ Kg8 19. Be3 Qe5 20. f4 Qe6 21. f5 Bxf5 22. gxf5 Qxf5 with probably white winning, though his king is awfully open. Would've been a decent try for black.}
15. Nxe7 Kxe7
16. Re1+ Kd7
{Black goes the wrong way, understandably, he wants the rooks connected but the king is too much in the open, Kf8 was better.}
17. Qe2
{If you wanted non-committal and solid, the unambitious 17. Nb3 won't cause you any harm.}
17... Rae8
18. Be5 h5
19. Rab1
{Bringing my rook to the open file with a tempo.}
19... Qc6
20. g5 Ne4
{Instead Rb5-Rc5 would have caused black a lot of trouble. It's understandable the defense 20. g5 Nh7 21. Nf3 f6 wasn't found by either player.}
21. Nxe4 Bxe4
22. Qb5 Qxb5
{I'm not so enthusiastic about the queenswap happening in this manner. White shouldn't want it, but it's likely to happen anyway. Perhaps there was a way to keep them on the board for a while getting the queens off and get something more than the invested tempo back from it. I couldn't find anything specific.}
23. Rxb5 Bf5?
{23. ... f6! and the bishop must go back, lose some time or clog up the machinery a bit.}
24. Rxd5+!
{In light of f6, this is the best and most forcing continuation. Unfortunately, it ends up getting rid of a lot of material.}
24... Kc8!
25. Re3 f6
{But here f6 isn't so great. White can actually take it because of the tactics in the position. If the bishop moves, the f5 bishop hangs to the rook. A plan with Rb1-Ra5-Rxa7-Rb5 etc is quite possible here because black is tied down so much.}
26. gxf6 gxf6
{Game drawn. The bishops of opposite colour should draw here because black can blockade, not enough endgame weaknesses to attack for white.}
Choices, choices, in the Exchange French, not all roads lead to a draw; but there are enough that do to give it its reputation. A nice game overall.
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- Ruy Lopez
- Sicilian Defense: Chekhover variation, Rossolimo variation, 2. ... e6 3. d4
- French Defense: Bogo-Winawer variation, Alekhine-Chatard attack
- Pirc Defense: Byrne variation
Black:
- Ruy Lopez: Modern Steinitz variation
- Two Knights Defense: Fritz variation, Ulvestadt variation
- King's Gambit: Falkbeer Countergambit: Nimzowitsch variation
- Tarrasch Defense
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06-23-2009, 08:23 PM
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Thank you both for your feedback. I still am mentally kicking myself over not playing Qe2. And yes mifs, I did relax at the point you mentioned. That is, I think, my greatest weakness, and the reason that I tend to draw so many won games. Hopefully the next time I'll force myself to actually think instead of just falling asleep in the last round.
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