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01-04-2009, 06:33 AM
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Attention, All: I Have a Proposal
I call my idea "Analysis Club".
Just as a book club has its members read and review the exact same book, our Analysis Club would play through and analyze the exact same game. After a certain amount of time (a week, two weeks, a month) we all share our findings in a thread - each thread has a specific name format. Here are two examples:
Analysis Club: Lasker - Capablanca, St. Petersburg 1914
Analysis Club: Karpov - Kasparov, game 23, 1987 WC match
I thought it would be fun to see what kind of different perspectives we get from our combined notes. It would be educational and fun for me personally to see what kind of mistakes I make in my variations.
Do you all like this idea?
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01-04-2009, 02:05 PM
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I like this idea! It is really a good idea.
However, for me, I will be - In and Out, Up and Down "Hot N Cold" - by Katy Perry.
I am somewhat lazy, and would rather spend my time doing other chess things, but I will read the responces from the analysis club from time to time, that is if there are people willing to participate in it.
And who knows, maybe, i can add-in a responce or two.
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01-04-2009, 02:31 PM
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Here is Game #1 - Link Below
Emanuel Lasker vs Jose Raul Capablanca (1914) "Rage Against the Machine"
or simply look at the game moves, which I copied and pasted - here.
[Event "St Petersburg f"]
[Site "St Petersburg"]
[Date "1914.??.??"]
[EventDate "?"]
[Round "?"]
[Result "1-0"]
[White "Emanuel Lasker"]
[Black "Jose Raul Capablanca"]
[ECO "C68"]
[WhiteElo "?"]
[BlackElo "?"]
[PlyCount "83"]
1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.Bb5 a6 4.Bxc6 dxc6 5.d4 exd4 6.Qxd4 Qxd4
7.Nxd4 Bd6 8.Nc3 Ne7 9.O-O O-O 10.f4 Re8 11.Nb3 f6 12.f5 b6
13.Bf4 Bb7 14.Bxd6 cxd6 15.Nd4 Rad8 16.Ne6 Rd7 17.Rad1 Nc8
18.Rf2 b5 19.Rfd2 Rde7 20.b4 Kf7 21.a3 Ba8 22.Kf2 Ra7 23.g4 h6
24.Rd3 a5 25.h4 axb4 26.axb4 Rae7 27.Kf3 Rg8 28.Kf4 g6 29.Rg3
g5+ 30.Kf3 Nb6 31.hxg5 hxg5 32.Rh3 Rd7 33.Kg3 Ke8 34.Rdh1 Bb7
35.e5 dxe5 36.Ne4 Nd5 37.N6c5 Bc8 38.Nxd7 Bxd7 39.Rh7 Rf8
40.Ra1 Kd8 41.Ra8+ Bc8 42.Nc5 1-0
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01-04-2009, 02:50 PM
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My opinion of this opening, in Game #1 is: why doesn't White "keep the tension" with Ba4, instead he decides to exchange his Bishop for the Knight and Continue on with his attack, resulting in a queen exchange (is he ready for an endgame?) I critisize him for doing this..... It is not my style of play; however, he knows Chess better than I do, and he probably has a "deep plan" in mind..... he eventually goes on to win this game, but I question his techinique early on..... Also, The Ruy Lopez opening is interesting (follows opening principles, and attacks the defender, but you are not suppost to trade it, I think) I prefer other openings, where (in my opinion aren't so double edged) and are safer..... but I haven't explored all the avenues of the game, so i don't know. Just my opinion here!
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01-04-2009, 06:13 PM
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Thanks, dustin. I'm glad you shared your thoughts here, though I didn't intend necessarily to analyze any games in this thread. I figured each "Analysis Club" game would get its own thread - I simply wanted feedback on the overall idea here.
As it further happens, I only gave those two games as examples of how I would name each thread. I actually thought they were too well-known for our purposes. But the games we choose are up to us.
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01-04-2009, 07:22 PM
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Originally Posted by king_sacrifice
Thanks, dustin. I'm glad you shared your thoughts here, though I didn't intend necessarily to analyze any games in this thread. I figured each "Analysis Club" game would get its own thread - I simply wanted feedback on the overall idea here.
As it further happens, I only gave those two games as examples of how I would name each thread. I actually thought they were too well-known for our purposes. But the games we choose are up to us.
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Here's an idea..... : Let's have each thread of analysis be from a Finished Corresponce Game within this Forum. (Not only will this improve the gameplay of each player considering that game, but it would encourage more games to be played on this site.)
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01-04-2009, 07:59 PM
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Originally Posted by king_sacrifice
I call my idea "Analysis Club".
Just as a book club has its members read and review the exact same book, our Analysis Club would play through and analyze the exact same game. After a certain amount of time (a week, two weeks, a month) we all share our findings in a thread - each thread has a specific name format. Here are two examples:
Analysis Club: Lasker - Capablanca, St. Petersburg 1914
Analysis Club: Karpov - Kasparov, game 23, 1987 WC match
I thought it would be fun to see what kind of different perspectives we get from our combined notes. It would be educational and fun for me personally to see what kind of mistakes I make in my variations.
Do you all like this idea?
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Great Idea!  I'm in. This would, by comparison of analysis, be highly instructive to the participants by comparing how they value the various positions to the valuations of others.
I propose that we start with one of Anisotropy's and Fromper's games from their tourneys. (And other members.) This way we can help them improve, as opposed to analysing classic games.
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01-06-2009, 12:35 AM
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The above game appears in many books.
Lasker from more than several books, and articles in Chess Life & Review played the exchange variation against Capablanca.
I have to imagine that Lasker was aware that Capablanca on the White side played the exchange variation against Bernstein in the same Tournament.
The exchange variation of the Ruy can transpose to the 4 Knights, which at the time was called the Work Horse by Tarrasch.
Lasker also knew in 1914 that Capablanca was a future challenger for the World Title. But WWI changed matters.
An improvement on Black's play turned up after WWI in the Schlechter-Rubinstein match.
An interesting aspect of Lasker was that in one tournament he should have lost 5 games, but he won 4 of them. See Chess Master probably CM 10 chess learning feature, advanced.
Fine recommended that Capablanca should have played 9-; Bd7 rather than 0-0. See Petersen-Alekhine Orebro 1935. After the moves in the game in question, White stood better after 14. (Fine).
Also note that Fine in PCO indicated that 5. 0-0 is weak due to Black's answer Bg4! if 6. h3 then h5. (Fischer later on disagreed).
Now if Black played Bg4? after 5. d4 see the game Lasker-Marshall 1924.
What is being pointed out here is that at time the variation was played if either White or Black varied from known variations of the exchange variation it was quite dangerous.
Prior to the game in question -
Verlinsky-Tereshchenk 1909 went 7-; Bd6 8. NC3 Ne7 10. f3 0-0 11.0-0-0
Reti-Schlechter St. Petersburg 1914 probably a predecessor to the Lasker - Capablanca game where Black won.
Schlechter did play 9-; Bd7 10. f4 0-0-0.
Note that Capablanca (Black) against Banks 1916, played the same early moves as in Lasker-Capablanca. But Banks was no Lasker and lost.
The Idea of the Exchange:
Because Black has a doubled pawn, the player on the White wants an endgame where the edge is on the King side in pawn, 4x3.
On the Queen side because Black has doubled pawns the count is 3 pawns against 3 pawns (as Black has a doubled pawn).
If all the pieces except for the Kings and pawns are removed, White would have the edge.
However Black has the two Bishop as compensation.
Fischer found that 5.0-0 does work for the first player.
[Event "Havana ol (Men) fin-A"]
[Site "Havana"]
[Date "1966.10.25"]
[Round "13"]
[White "Fischer,Robert James"]
[Black "Jimenez Zerquera,Eleazar"]
[Result "1-0"]
[Eco "C69"]
1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.Bb5 a6 4.Bxc6 dxc6 5.0-0 f6 6.d4 Bg4 7.c3 exd4 8.cxd4 Qd7
9.h3 Bh5 10.Ne5 Bxd1 11.Nxd7 Kxd7 12.Rxd1 Re8 13.f3 Ne7 14.Nc3 Kc8 15.Be3 f5 16.Rac1 fxe4
17.fxe4 g6 18.Bf4 Bg7 19.d5 Rd8 20.Na4 Rhf8 21.g3 g5 22.Bxg5 Rf7 23.Kg2 cxd5 24.exd5 Kb8
25.Re1 Bf8 26.Rf1 Rg7 27.Bf6 Rg8 28.Rce1 Re8 29.d6 cxd6 30.Bxe7 Bxe7 31.Rf7 1-0
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01-06-2009, 01:08 PM
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The Exchange Variation and Lasker:
Relevant games:
The following games were played by Lasker, and one by Capablanca prior to the above game. Including several played by Lasker against Tarrasch, & Janowski in World Championship Matches.
[Event "World Championship 05th"]
[Site "USA/CAN"]
[Date "1894.03.15"]
[Round "13"]
[White "Lasker,Emanuel"]
[Black "Steinitz,William"]
[Result "0-1"]
[Eco "C68"]
1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.Bb5 a6 4.Bxc6 dxc6 5.d4 exd4 6.Qxd4 Qxd4 7.Nxd4 c5 8.Ne2 Bd7
9.Nbc3 0-0-0 10.Bf4 Bc6 11.0-0 Nf6 12.f3 Be7 13.Ng3 g6 14.Rfe1 Nd7 15.Nd1 Nb6 16.Nf1 Rd7
17.Be3 Rhd8 18.b3 c4 19.Bxb6 cxb6 20.bxc4 Bb4 21.c3 Bc5+ 22.Kh1 Rd3 23.Rc1 a5 24.Nde3 f5
25.exf5 gxf5 26.h3 Rg8 27.Nd5 Bxd5 28.cxd5 Rxd5 29.Rcd1 Rxd1 30.Rxd1 f4 31.Kh2 Re8 32.a4 Kc7
33.h4 Kc6 34.c4 Bb4 35.Kh3 Re1 36.Rxe1 Bxe1 37.Kg4 Kc5 38.Kxf4 Kxc4 39.Ke4 Bxh4 40.g3 Bd8
41.Ne3+ Kb4 42.Kd3 Kxa4 43.Kc2 Kb4 44.f4 Kc5 45.f5 Kd6 46.g4 b5 47.Nd1 Ke5 48.Nc3 b4
49.Na4 Kd4 50.Nb2 b5 51.Kb3 Be7 52.g5 a4+ 53.Nxa4 bxa4+ 54.Kxa4 Ke5 55.Kb3 Kxf5 0-1
[Event "Cambridge Springs"]
[Site "Cambridge Springs"]
[Date "1904.04.25"]
[Round "14"]
[White "Lasker,Emanuel"]
[Black "Showalter,Jackson Whipps"]
[Result "1/2"]
[Eco "C68"]
1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.Bb5 a6 4.Bxc6 dxc6 5.d4 exd4 6.Qxd4 Qxd4 7.Nxd4 Nf6 8.f3 Bd7
9.Be3 0-0-0 10.Nd2 Re8 11.Kf2 g6 12.Rad1 h5 13.h4 c5 14.Ne2 b6 15.Rhe1 Bc6 16.Bf4 Bg7
17.Nc4 Nd7 18.c3 Bb5 19.Ne3 Ne5 20.Bxe5 Bxe5 21.g3 Bg7 22.Nf4 Rd8 23.Nh3 Rxd1 24.Rxd1 Rd8
25.Rxd8+ Kxd8 26.Ng5 Be8 27.f4 c6 28.e5 b5 29.b3 Bf8 30.c4 Be7 31.f5 Bxg5 32.hxg5 Bd7
33.e6 fxe6 34.fxg6 Ke7 35.Kf3 Be8 36.g7 Kf7 37.Kf4 Kxg7 38.Ke5 Bg6 39.Kd6 Bb1 40.a4 Ba2
41.Kxc6 Bxb3 42.axb5 axb5 43.cxb5 Ba4 44.Kxc5 Bxb5 45.Kxb5 Kg6 1/2
[Event "GBR tour sim"]
[Site "Great Britain"]
[Date "1908.??.??"]
[Round "0"]
[White "Lasker,Emanuel"]
[Black "Wood,CE"]
[Result "1/2"]
[Eco "C68"]
1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.Bb5 a6 4.Bxc6 dxc6 5.d4 exd4 6.Qxd4 Qxd4 7.Nxd4 Bc5 8.Be3 Nf6
9.f3 0-0 10.Nd2 Bb6 11.Nc4 Re8 12.Nxb6 cxb6 13.0-0-0 c5 14.Ne2 Be6 15.Nc3 Rac8 16.Rd6 b5
17.Rhd1 h6 18.Kb1 Kh7 19.Ne2 b4 20.Nc1 Rc7 21.Nd3 Nd7 22.Nf4 Ne5 23.Nxe6 fxe6 24.Rd8 Rxd8
25.Rxd8 Rd7 26.Rxd7 Nxd7 27.Kc1 b5 28.Kd2 Kg6 29.Bf4 e5 30.Bg3 Kf6 31.f4 exf4 32.Bxf4 Ke6
33.Ke3 Ne5 34.Bxe5 Kxe5 35.b3 1/2
[Event "NED tour sim"]
[Site "Netherlands"]
[Date "1908.??.??"]
[Round "0"]
[White "Lasker,Emanuel"]
[Black "Leussen,Benjamin"]
[Result "1/2"]
[Eco "C68"]
1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.Bb5 a6 4.Bxc6 dxc6 5.d4 exd4 6.Qxd4 Qxd4 7.Nxd4 c5 8.Ne2 Bd6
9.Nd2 b5 10.Nb3 c4 11.Nbd4 Bb7 12.f3 Ne7 13.Bf4 0-0-0 14.Bxd6 Rxd6 15.c3 c5 16.Nc2 f5
17.exf5 Nxf5 18.Rd1 Rd3 19.Nf4 Rxd1+ 20.Kxd1 Nh4 21.Rg1 g5 22.Ne2 h5 23.Ne1 Ng6 24.Rf1 Ne5
25.Nc1 Rf8 26.h3 g4 27.hxg4 hxg4 28.Ke2 Re8 29.fxg4 Nxg4+ 30.Kd2 Rd8+ 1/2
[Event "World Championship 08th"]
[Site "Germany"]
[Date "1908.08.17"]
[Round "1"]
[White "Lasker,Emanuel"]
[Black "Tarrasch,Siegbert"]
[Result "1-0"]
[Eco "C68"]
1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.Bb5 a6 4.Bxc6 dxc6 5.d4 exd4 6.Qxd4 Qxd4 7.Nxd4 c5 8.Ne2 Bd7
9.b3 Bc6 10.f3 Be7 11.Bb2 Bf6 12.Bxf6 Nxf6 13.Nd2 0-0-0 14.0-0-0 Rd7 15.Nf4 Re8 16.Nc4 b6
17.a4 a5 18.Rxd7 Nxd7 19.Rd1 Ne5 20.Nxe5 Rxe5 21.c4 Re8 22.Nh5 Rg8 23.Rd3 f6 24.Kd2 Be8
25.Ng3 Bd7 26.Ke3 Re8 27.Nh5 Re7 28.g4 c6 29.h4 Kc7 30.g5 f5 31.Ng3 fxe4 32.Nxe4 Bf5
33.h5 Rd7 34.Rc3 Rd1 35.Kf4 Bd7 36.Re3 Rh1 37.Ng3 Rh4+ 38.Ke5 Rh3 39.f4 Kd8 40.f5 Rh4
41.f6 gxf6+ 42.Kxf6 Be8 43.Nf5 Rf4 44.g6 hxg6 45.hxg6 Rg4 46.Rxe8+ Kxe8 47.g7 Kd7 48.Nh4 Rxg7
49.Kxg7 Ke6 50.Nf3 Kf5 51.Kf7 Ke4 52.Ke6 Kd3 53.Kd6 Kc3 54.Kxc6 Kxb3 55.Kb5 1-0
[Event "World Championship 09th"]
[Site "Paris"]
[Date "1909.10.19"]
[Round "3"]
[White "Lasker,Emanuel"]
[Black "Janowski,Dawid Markelowicz"]
[Result "1-0"]
[Eco "C68"]
1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.Bb5 a6 4.Bxc6 dxc6 5.d4 exd4 6.Qxd4 Bg4 7.Nc3 Qxd4 8.Nxd4 0-0-0
9.Be3 Bb4 10.Nde2 Bxe2 11.Kxe2 Bxc3 12.bxc3 Nf6 13.f3 Nd7 14.Rad1 Ne5 15.Rd4 b6 16.f4 Nd7
17.Rhd1 c5 18.R4d3 Nb8 19.Kf3 Rde8 20.f5 f6 21.g4 Re7 22.Bf4 Rhe8 23.Re3 Nc6 24.g5 Na5
25.h4 Nc4 26.Re2 Rf7 27.Rg1 Kd7 28.h5 Nd6 29.h6 fxg5 30.Rxg5 g6 31.fxg6 hxg6 32.Rxg6 Ref8
33.Rg7 Rxg7 34.hxg7 Rg8 35.Rg2 Ne8 36.Be5 Ke6 37.Kf4 Kf7 38.Kf5 1-0
[Event "World Championship 09th"]
[Site "Paris"]
[Date "1909.10.19"]
[Round "5"]
[White "Lasker,Emanuel"]
[Black "Janowski,Dawid Markelowicz"]
[Result "1-0"]
[Eco "C68"]
1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.Bb5 a6 4.Bxc6 dxc6 5.d4 exd4 6.Qxd4 Bg4 7.Nc3 Qxd4 8.Nxd4 0-0-0
9.Nde2 Bc5 10.f3 Be6 11.Bd2 Ne7 12.0-0-0 f6 13.Nf4 Bc4 14.b3 Bf7 15.Nd3 Bd6 16.Bf4 Ba3+
17.Kb1 Ng6 18.Bc1 Bd6 19.g3 c5 20.Nd5 Rhe8 21.Bb2 Bxd5 22.exd5 Re2 23.Rde1 Rde8 24.Kc1 Kd7
25.Rxe2 Rxe2 26.Kd1 Re6 27.Rf1 b5 28.Kd2 Re8 29.c4 c6 30.Rc1 b4 31.dxc6+ Kxc6 32.Re1 Ra8
33.Ra1 Rd8 34.Ke2 a5 35.a3 Bc7 36.a4 h5 37.Rd1 h4 38.f4 hxg3 39.hxg3 Rh8 40.Nf2 Ne7
41.Kf3 Nf5 42.Rd5 Ne7 43.Rd1 Nf5 44.Rd5 Nd6 45.Bc1 Bb6 46.Be3 Re8 47.f5 Nc8 48.Ne4 Rh8
49.Bxc5 Bc7 50.Nf2 Rh2 51.Bf8 Bb6 52.Ne4 Rh7 53.Nc5 Bc7 54.Ne6 Be5 55.Rc5+ Kd7 56.Rxa5 Rh3
57.Rd5+ Kc6 58.Nf4 Bxf4 59.Kxf4 Nb6 60.Rd6+ Kc7 61.Rd3 1-0
[Event "Moscow cons"]
[Site "Moscow"]
[Date "1914.??.??"]
[Round "0"]
[White "Pavlov,N/Selesniev,A"]
[Black "Capablanca,Jose Raul"]
[Result "1/2"]
[Eco "C68"]
1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.Bb5 a6 4.Bxc6 dxc6 5.d4 exd4 6.Qxd4 Qxd4 7.Nxd4 Bc5 8.Be3 Nf6
9.f3 0-0 10.Nd2 Re8 11.Kf2 Be6 12.Nxe6 Bxe3+ 13.Kxe3 Rxe6 14.Kf2 Ne8 15.Rhd1 Nd6 16.Nf1 Rae8
17.Re1 a5 18.Ne3 a4 19.c4 b5 20.Rac1 Rb8 21.cxb5 Rxb5 22.Re2 Kf8 23.Ke1 Rb6 24.Nc4 Ra6
25.e5 Nxc4 26.Rxc4 Ra5 27.f4 g5 28.g3 gxf4 29.gxf4 Ke7 30.Kf2 c5 31.Rec2 Rb6 32.Kf3 Ke6
33.Ke4 f5+ 34.exf6 Kxf6 35.f5 Rab5 36.Rxa4 Rxb2 37.Rac4 Rxc2 38.Rxc2 c6 39.Rxc5 Ra6 40.Rc4 Rxa2
41.Rxc6+ Kg5 1/2
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01-06-2009, 07:17 PM
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This is a third reply to separate games, from analysis, and notes from the game itself.
The Game was played in Round 7.
I believe the annotations came from the original tournament book. Tarrasch was the editor. The notes may have been revised by Ree.
7. Nxd4
Although Lasker needs a win in order to catch up with Capablanca, he plays a quiet opening.
12. f5
Finally Lasker shows his ambition.
35. e5
Lasker finishes the game in a grand style.
42. Nc5
The hundreds of spectators gave a roaring applause.
( The Lasker - Capablanca game was for first place).
Lasker won 1200 Rubles. Capablanca 800 Rubles. So the game was being played for 400 Rubles.
Websites: Beside books, Lasker- Reinfeld/Fine - one of the great books,
Soltis Why Lasker Matters see also:
A web page devoted to EMANUEL LASKER
Photos: St. Petersburg 1909 and 1914
In the download PGN or CB 5 of the games are analyzed.
From the tournament Lasker lost no games. Capablanca 2 in the Finals.
In the Preliminary: Capablanca held the lead.
Which probably explains why the above game was for first prize.
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